View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Ravens Game Thread, 12/13/2010
Next up, the 8-4 Ravens come to Reliant Park for Monday Night Football. Can the 5-7 Texans finally put a good game together against a good team with the nation watching? Texans will be in their Battle Red unis....
TV = Monday 7:30pm, ESPN
Announcers = Tirico, Jaworski, Gruden
Opening line = Ravens by 3
Current line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Ravens by 3
Set your DVR's.
Joshua
12-06-2010, 02:58 PM
Nobody shows up better on the national stage and nobody matches physicality with physicality and intensity with intensity like a Gary Kubiak-led Texans team. Should be a cakewalk.
From the looks of it last night, it would appear they will be without Heap next Monday. Pulled up lame on the first play of the game, and looked to be in some serious pain.
Mark that down as something that doesn't suck.
nunusguy
12-07-2010, 08:06 AM
On offense they're receivers lack deep speed and there line is not that good, so I'm thinking we can get to Flacco ? On the other side of the ball, the Ravens Dline may have mauled Pitts' OLine and Ngata and Suggs are outstanding, but we've got a better line than Pittsburg and I think Schaub will have some time, though his opportunities will be limited. Lewis is way past his prime, as he specializes on jumping on piles long after the ball carrier has been downed.
I see us winning this game, not that it makes that much difference because any real chance the Texans had of making the playoffs is now probably history.
nunu, you better quit smoking that funny stuff! :p
nunusguy
12-08-2010, 06:48 AM
nunu, you better quit smoking that funny stuff! :p
Hey I'm serious, the Ravens aren't the only team in this game that lost their last outing and therefor will come into this MNF contest really pizzed-off looking for some azz to kick. I'm thinking Ray Lewis and Ngata had better have their bonnets secured tightly because it's gonna be stormy-weather in H-Town this Monday.
Joshua
12-08-2010, 08:29 AM
If history is any indication, the Ravens will find a way to score 28 points, so the Texans have to find a way to score 29. I'm having a hard time believing we're going to put up those kinds of numbers against the Ravens D.
All kidding aside, the Texans MUST put up a better opening quarter defense than they have shown recently to have a chance. If we get behind in the first quarter by 14 or 21 points, as we have been doing lately, you can kiss the game goodby. The Ravens defense is just too good for that to happen.
Blitzwood
12-12-2010, 11:17 AM
Texans never show up for nationally televised games. We'll see what happens since they're wearing their battle reds......:rolleyes:
Nconroe
12-12-2010, 08:12 PM
On offense they're receivers lack deep speed and there line is not that good, so I'm thinking we can get to Flacco ? On the other side of the ball, the Ravens Dline may have mauled Pitts' OLine and Ngata and Suggs are outstanding, but we've got a better line than Pittsburg and I think Schaub will have some time, though his opportunities will be limited. Lewis is way past his prime, as he specializes on jumping on piles long after the ball carrier has been downed.
I see us winning this game, not that it makes that much difference because any real chance the Texans had of making the playoffs is now probably history.
I agree, but I been wrong a lot this year.
HPF Bob
12-12-2010, 08:19 PM
I suspect the last shred of a playoff hope dies if the Texans lose this week now that Jacksonville has won.
I suspect the last shred of a playoff hope dies if the Texans lose this week now that Jacksonville has won.
Yeah, if they lose it probably is all over. They need to win out. There still in it till they ain't. :)
Jags could still slip against the Colts or overlook the Skins...
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 07:40 AM
I think the way it works is, if we win out, then Indy would have to Jacksonville next week, lose to either Oakland or Tennessee, and Jacksonville has to lose to Washington and if not.......then Week 17 Houston/Jacksonville would be for all the marbles.
I think the way it works is, if we win out, then Indy would have to Jacksonville next week, lose to either Oakland or Tennessee, and Jacksonville has to lose to Washington and if not.......then Week 17 Houston/Jacksonville would be for all the marbles.
And it gets flexed for the marquee prime time game with all the marbles on the table.....
Hey, no one ever say there were rules to the what-if game. :rolleyes:
I'm not too worried about the O, Ravens or not, slow start, fast start, whatever. They will put up at least 24 tonight.
The D.....I think someone said earlier thier WR's aren't blazers, and I would agree with that, so maybe we have a chance. Not a Rusty Smith special type of a chance, but at least our DB's won't spend most of the game reading "Boldin" "Mason" or "Some other obscure WR that will go off tonight"
Heading out to drink beer in the orange lot at 3PM on a cold Monday.
NOTHING BETTER!
Sure hope I want to stay in my seat for the whole 4th quarter.....
Time to give the Ravens the thrashing they so richly deserve.....
83% of the betting public likes the Ravens tonight..
Walterfootball (http://walterfootball.com/nflpicks2010_14late.php) likes the Texans +3
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 07:37 PM
Let's go boys!
Gametime!
Texans win the flip and will receive.
Slaton downs the kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at the 20.
Foster gets 16 on the right side.
Foster for about 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Schaub's deep pass is broken up by the DB, inc. Makes it 3rd and 7.
Schaub's pass sails inc. Texans have to punt.
Ravens fair catch at their 15. Ravens ball.
Rice for about 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Flacco sacked by Pollard and Cushing! 3rd and 14 coming up.
Dang, pass to Bolden goes for 15, 1st down.
Whoa, deep pass to Mason is dropped. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to Housh goes for about 9. 3rd and 1 coming up.
McClain rushes for the 1st down. Ball at the Raven 36.
Rice for about 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
McGahee for about 2. Flag on Ravens for illegal motion. -5, replay 2nd down.
Rice for about 4. Makes it 3rd and 6.
Pass is broken up by GQ. Ravens have to punt.
JJ fair catches about the Texan 10.
Schaub's pass to OD goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Dreessen off his hands. Texans have to punt.
Ravens return the punt about 2 yards to their 48 yard line.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 08:04 PM
Our offense looks terrible. Specifically Shaub. We really have no chance now...
On a brighter note...Glover Quinn seems to be playing well...
Flag pre-snap. Offsides Ravens -5. Makes it 1st and 15.
Rice for about 1. Makes it 2nd and 14.
Dump to Rice gets 16. 1st down.
Flacco pressured, throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Dump to McClain goes for 17. 1st down at the Texan 23.
Rice for about 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Pass in the endzone broken up by GQ but flag on Cushing for offsides. 1st down Ravens, ball at the Texans 13.
Timeout Ravens.
On 1st and 10 at the Texan 13, McGahee gets about 1.
Pass in the endzone goes inc. but PI on Cushing puts the ball at the Texans 1.
McGahee for no gain. 2nd and goal from the 1.
McGahee punches it in for the TD.
Ravens 7, Texans 0
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 08:11 PM
More shoulda, woulda, couldas...
If Shaub had a stronger arm, this game would be tied 7-7...
HPF Bob
12-13-2010, 08:16 PM
Same ol Texans. Dropped balls, bad tackling. Dumb mistakes.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 18.
Foster for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Pass to OD is dropped. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Dump to DA gets the 1st down. A completion, yay!!!
Foster for about 3. Ball at the Texan 38. 2nd and 7.
Pass to OD over the middle goes for 25! Ball at the Ravens 37.
Pass over the middle goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for 6. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Schaub is sacked. Makes it 4th and 7 at the Ravens 34.
End of 1st quarter.
Texans to go for the FG.
Rackers 52 yarder is short.
Score remains:
Ravens 7, Texans 0
chuck
12-13-2010, 08:21 PM
I have never seen a team that is completely unable to return a kick beyond the 20.
Schaub's arm strength is a real issue.
We're about to go down 14-0.
As usual, Kubiak's offense is doing nothing in the first half.
Nine years of garbage.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 08:22 PM
This game is the perfect indication of how over-confident (stupid) Kubiak is.
Nothing about this game says that he is fighting for his job. They have come out running the same plays. Dropped passes, bad tackling, and no accountability.
"miss a tackle" who cares "we'll get'em next time".
Nothing about the Ravens defense has been spectacular today, yet we still have 0 points...
Dump to Rice gets about 4. Ball at the Ravens 46.
Rice for a couple. Brings up 3rd and 3.
Pass is complete to Mason for the 1st down at the Texan 45.
McGahee for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Housh sails out of bounds, inc. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Mason too tall, inc. Ravens have to punt.
Punt bounces out of bounds at the Texan 4. Texans ball.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 08:28 PM
This game is the perfect indication of how over-confident (stupid) Kubiak is.
Nothing about this game says that he is fighting for his job. They have come out running the same plays. Dropped passes, bad tackling, and no accountability.
"miss a tackle" who cares "we'll get'em next time".
Nothing about the Ravens defense has been spectacular today, yet we still have 0 points...
Serious question: What kind of accountability are you expecting within the season? Players benched?
False start Winston, 1/2 the distance. 1st and 12 coming up.
Foster for about 1. 2nd and 11 coming up.
Pass to OD goes for 31! Nice catch!
Foster runs into a clogged up mess for about 1.... 2nd and 9 coming up.
Foster for about 5. 3rd and 4 coming up.
Schaub is sacked back at the Texan 25. Texans have to punt.
Ravens bring the punt back to their 41 or so. Flag on the play. 15 yards against Texans for running out of bounds during the punt. Ball at the Texan 44.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 08:32 PM
Sherrick McMannis needs to be cut right now. Seriously.
chuck
12-13-2010, 08:35 PM
Joe Marciano needs to be fired right away. It is literally incredible that he has kept his job since day one. It's almost as surprising as the fact that John McClain has a job in professional journalism.
Rice for about 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Big hole for Rice goes all the way to the Texan 27.
Pass to Housh goes for 14. Ball at the Texan 13.
Rice for about 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Pass to McClain goes for 3. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Mason goes for the TD.
Ravens 14, Texans 0
chuck
12-13-2010, 08:37 PM
Sherrick McMannis needs to be cut right now. Seriously.
By the way, McMannis might prove to be the best corner the team has.
Of course we'll never know until he's cut and is playing for another team.
chuck
12-13-2010, 08:38 PM
Flacco is so much better than Schaub it is just disgusting.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 08:40 PM
By the way, McMannis might prove to be the best corner the team has.
Of course we'll never know until he's cut and is playing for another team.
He should be cut for that attitude and stupidity. Going out of bounds and not coming back in? What a buffoon.
Texans need to score before the half....
5:23 left in the half.
Slaton downs the kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20.
Dump to Foster goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Screen pass is deflected by Ngata, inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Deep pass to JJ broken up. Texans have to punt.
Ravens fair catch at their 33. Ravens ball.
C'mon, Schaub - give the defense a break.....
chuck
12-13-2010, 08:44 PM
He should be cut for that attitude and stupidity. Going out of bounds and not coming back in? What a buffoon.
That's on Marciano. McMannis may not know the rule. Did you see that idiot last night running around in the back of the end zone thinking he was bleeding clock?
Say, didn't we used to have a guy, what was his name? Number 80?
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 08:45 PM
That's on Marciano. McMannis may not know the rule. Did you see that idiot last night running around in the back of the end zone thinking he was bleeding clock?
Say, didn't we used to have a guy, what was his name? Number 80?
Marciano clearly sucks too.
Screen to Rice goes for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Rice for -1. Nice play, Jamison. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass off Bolden's hands inc. Ravens have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texans 21. 3:19 left in the half.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 08:48 PM
Serious question: What kind of accountability are you expecting within the season? Players benched?
Maybe I am expecting something that will never happen. If you know your job's on the line wouldn't you show some sort of emotion.
No he just sits there and watch his team implode...
Foster for 8. Makes it 2nd and 2.
Dump to Foster goes for 3. 1st down.
Pass to OD off his hands and INT'ed by the Ravens. Ravens ball at the Texan 39.
Pass to Mason goes for 18. Ball at the Texan 21.
2 minute warning.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 08:52 PM
Same goes for Shaub...He just threw a dumb ass pass that's picked off, during a game that is a MUST win, where you are down 14-0. AND he just takes off his chin strap and walks off the field. "Uhhh, oh well, we'll get'em next time".
Kubiak/Shaub...Like father like son...
Well, is it going to be 17-0 or 21-0 at the half?
Dump to Rice goes for -1. 2nd and 11 coming up.
Timeout Texans.
Pass to Rice off his hands, inc. Flag on the play. Offsides Amobi. Replay 2nd down. 2nd and 6.
Pollard with the sack! Flacco fumbles, Ravens recover. Ball at the Texan 26.
Damn.... pass to Mason goes for the TD. Allen falls down on the coverage.
Ravens 21, Texans 0
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 08:59 PM
Utter hilarity.
Slaton downs the kickoff in the endzone. Texans ball at their 20. 1:37 left in the half.
Pass to AJ broken up, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to JJ inc. - Schaub pressured on the play.
On 3rd and 10, pass to AJ goes for 17. 1st down.
Pass too high for JJ, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
OD drops an easy one. Coulda been a big gainer. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Yay, pass to KW good for 17 or so. 1st down.
Heh, heh, pass to AJ wide open goes for the TD.... 46 yards.
Ravens 21, Texans 7
42 seconds left in the half.
chuck
12-13-2010, 09:02 PM
21-0 at home on Monday night. If McNair isn't publicly embarrassed enough by this to take significant action then he and I are not living on the same planet.
At least I didn't rearrange my schedule to be in Houston to watch this absolute garbage.
Gruden: The Texans deserve to be booed and they deserve to be down 21-0.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 09:03 PM
Wow, what a PLAY!
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 09:06 PM
That TD doesn't make me feel better. All it makes me think is the same thing I have been thinking...We refuse to put the pedal to the metal until we are down big...EVERY GAME...
Ravens bring the kickoff back to their 28 or so.
Dump to Rice goes for about 4.
Pass sails out of bounds, inc. Brings up 3rd and 4. 6 seconds left.
Pass to Rice goes for about 6.
Halftime.
Ravens 21, Texans 7
chuck
12-13-2010, 09:08 PM
That TD doesn't make me feel better. All it makes me think is the same thing I have been thinking...We refuse to put the pedal to the metal until we are down big...EVERY GAME...
They threw to Andre twice that half. Twice.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 09:13 PM
How can you have someone like an AJohnson and not know how to get him the ball...
If it's not a stretch run are playaction the coaching staff is lost...
Blitzwood
12-13-2010, 09:14 PM
Half time and we have more dropped passes than points.
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 7/21, 151 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Foster 10/52
Receiving: AJ 2/62, OD 2/55, KW 1/18, DA 1/13, Foster 1/3
Tackles: Bentley 8, Cushing 7, Pollard/Sharpton 4 each, Lewis/Diles/GQ/KJ/Mitchell 3 each
Time of possession: Texans 12:07, Ravens 17:53
Turnovers: Texans 1, Ravens 0
Red zone: Ravens 3/3, Texans 0/0
Total Yards: Texans 188, Ravens 182
3rd down efficiency: Texans 3/8, Ravens 6/9
Fonz the Boss
12-13-2010, 09:19 PM
They need to blitz on 75% of the plays regardless whether they get beat man to man or not.... They gotta go balls out and try to create a f*ckin turnover.
Arian Foster new Texan single season record holder for rushing yards and back on top as #1 in the NFL....
Ravens bring the 2nd half kickoff all the way back - 103 yards, TD
Ravens 28, Texans 7
McManis brings the kickoff back to the Texan 24.
Foster for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Pass to OD good for 13 or so. 1st down.
Foster for 6. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Dump to OD only gets about 1. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Foster gets about 6. 1st down.
Foster for about 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Schaub can't find anyone open and chunks it away. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass to Dreessen off his hands. Makes it 4th and 3. Texans to go for it.
Pass to JJ goes all the way to the Ravens 17. 1st down.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 09:27 PM
You were down 21-7, with the season and the coaches job on the line. You go into halftime. What could the coach be saying to the team to pump them up...
Evidently nothing....
The Ravens come out and return the kick for a TD...
chuck
12-13-2010, 09:28 PM
The Texans continue to find new ways to humiliate themselves on national television. I hope this is the worst day of McNair's life. I hope he realizes that he and is team are laughingstocks, the butt of every NFL joke.
Foster gets about 3. Fumble but Texans recover. 2nd and 8 coming up,.
Dump to KW gets 6. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Ward slams up the middle for 4. 1st down at the Ravens 4.
Schaub pressured chunks it in the direction of Leach, inc. 2nd and goal from the 4.
Foster TFL'ed for -3. 3rd and goal from the 7.
JJ drops the TD. Makes it 4th and goal. Rackers on for the FG.
24 yarder is good.
Ravens 28, Texans 10
chuck
12-13-2010, 09:36 PM
Schaub put the ball in Jacoby's chest. I'm not sure what more he could do. Is Dickerson really that bad?
Ravens bring the kickoff back to their 22.
Rice for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Flacco in the grasp. Sack for Sharpton. Makes it 3rd and 19.
Dump to Rice gets 12. Ravens have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the Texan 35.
Let's go, boys...
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 09:48 PM
Schaub put the ball in Jacoby's chest. I'm not sure what more he could do. Is Dickerson really that bad?
You have to remember its not about how good he is, with Kubiak
5:04 left in the 3rd.
Pass to KW gets about 12. 1st down.
Pass broken up by Reed. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster TFL for -3. Makes it 3rd and 13.
Pass to AJ good for the 1st down. Ball at the Ravens 42.
Foster for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Pass to DA good for about 4 or 5. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Schaub scrambles near the 1st down marker but flag down. Holding on Ravens - auto 1st down at the Ravens 29.
Schaub pressured, throws inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Dump to AJ gets 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to KW is caught in the endzone but ruled out of bounds.
Kubes challenges the ruling but it doesn't look good....
chuck
12-13-2010, 09:54 PM
I know this is news to everyone here but Kubiak is a complete idiot.
Play stands as called. Makes it 4th and 5. Texans to go for the FG.
Rackers 42 yarder is good.
Ravens 28, Texans 13
36 seconds left in the 3rd quarter.
Ravens bring the kickoff back to their 27 yard line or so.
Rice for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
End of 3rd quarter.
On 2nd and 6, Flacco's pass sails inc. Flag on the play. Holding on GQ. Auto 1st down for the Ravens at their 36.
Rice for about 3. Makes it 2nd and 7.
Pass is broken up by Nolan. Makes it 3rd and 7.
Pass to Rice goes to the Texan 43. 1st down.
Rice for 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Cushing with a big sack but flag on the play. Illegal formation Ravens is declined. Makes it 3rd and 17.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 10:03 PM
I know this is news to everyone here but Kubiak is a complete idiot.
Do you also post on TexansTalk under another name? Serious question.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 10:06 PM
Ugh. Antonio Smith is so dumb.
On 3rd and 17, flag pre-snap. Neutral zone infraction on Texans. Makes it 3rd and 12.
Pass is complete to the Texans 38. Makes it 4th and 5. Ravens to punt.
Punt is downed at the Texan 1 yard line.
chuck
12-13-2010, 10:07 PM
Do you also post on TexansTalk under another name? Serious question.
I thought I had made it clear that I do not post on any other Texans site. So, no, final answer.
Why? There's someone over there who also thinks Kubiak is an idiot? What a coincidence!
Man, the Texans are getting schooled on special teams.
Pass to OD gets 23. Ball at the Texan 24. 1st down.
Deep pass to AJ is broken up.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 10:10 PM
I thought I had made it clear that I do not post on any other Texans site. So, no, final answer.
Why? There's someone over there who also thinks Kubiak is an idiot? What a coincidence!
Man, the Texans are getting schooled on special teams.
Didn't recall you stating that, my apologies. And no, I was just wondering, because that read like a statement over there.
On 2nd and 10, pass to JJ gets about 8. 3rd and 2 coming up. Under 10 minutes left in the game.
Pass complete to DA for a 1st down at the Texan 41.
Foster on the draw for 17.
Schaub can't find anyone open and chunks it away. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Schaub's pass to OD is inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Dump to Foster gets about 8. Makes it 4th and 2. Texans to go for it.
Timeout Texans. 7:48 left in the game.
chuck
12-13-2010, 10:13 PM
Didn't recall you stating that, my apologies. And no, I was just wondering, because that read like a statement over there.
No worries. I'm just amazed that there is another iconoclast out there who is allied with my pioneering opinion.
How good is David Anderson? Man, that guy is money.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 10:14 PM
I just wonder why it takes so long for the team to wake up.
chuck
12-13-2010, 10:17 PM
I just wonder why it takes so long to get a freaking play in.
Slant to AJ gets the 1st down! Drive still alive....
Pass to DA is caught but out of bounds. DA shaken up. Timeout Texans. Makes it 2nd and 10 at the Ravens 22.
On 2nd and 10, draw to Foster gets 10. 1st down at the Ravens 12.
Schaub hit as he throws, pass goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Pass to KW goes for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to AJ in the endzone goes inc. Makes it 4th and 5. Texans to go for it.
Pass to JJ good for the TD.
Ravens 28, Texans 20
6 minutes left in the game.
Schaub has thrown 49 passes. 22 for 49.
chuck
12-13-2010, 10:25 PM
Very, very pretty throw. The D needs to stop the Ravens right away since we have, what, one TO?
chuck
12-13-2010, 10:27 PM
Don't look now but the D has shut the Ravens out in the second half.
Ravens bring the kickoff back to their 25 or so.
Pass to Mason good for 13. 1st down.
Rice for -1. Makes it 2nd and 11.
Pass to Bolden gets 12 and a 1st down.
Rice gets about 4. Under 3 1/2 minutes left.
Rice gets about 4. Makes it 3rd and 2. Timeout.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 10:32 PM
I just wonder why it takes so long for the team to wake up.
It takes Kubiak forever to realize that his gameplan was utterly useless and now he needs to make an adjustment.
He strikes me as a person who is horrible at gameplanning for the opponent. His team is ALWAYS unprepared and outcoached. It is until the second half of games that he has figured them out.
Most of the time, by then it is too late...
On 3rd and 2 at the Texan 44, pass is broken up by GQ! Ravens have to punt.
JJ brings the punt back to the 15 but flags are down. Illegal block in the back on KJ. 1/2 the distance to the goal. Texans ball at their 4.
Dump to KW goes to the 21.
Schaub throws it away, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up. 2:11 left in the game.
Dump to Foster gets about 4. 3rd and 6 coming up.
2 minute warning.
Kind of exciting, no? :p
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 10:37 PM
It takes Kubiak forever to realize that his gameplan was utterly useless and now he needs to make an adjustment.
He strikes me as a person who is horrible at gameplanning for the opponent. His team is ALWAYS unprepared and outcoached. It is until the second half of games that he has figured them out.
Most of the time, by then it is too late...
And a lot of times the players are poor at execution. Today its a half and half type game. Sometimes its mostly on coaching. Other times its mostly on the players.
That Ravens D is tired and sucking wind. They should keep 'em runnin'.....
On 3rd and 6, pass to JJ comes up about 1 yard short. Brings up 4th and 1. 1:38 left in the game. Timout Ravens. Texans with no timeouts.
Dump to JJ good for the 1st down. JJ runs out of bounds to save the clock.
Pass to AJ complete, out of bounds at the Raven 43.
Pass to AJ gets 8.
Schaub scrambles for the 1st down at the Ravens 27. 1 minute left.
Dump to Foster gets 10 at the Ravens 17.
Dump to AJ goes to the 5.
Spike. 29 seconds left.
TD to AJ in the back of the endzone! Texans to go for 2.
2 pointer good to JJ!
Texans 28, Ravens 28
21 seconds left.
Well, they made it really interesting..... :p
Ravens bring the kickoff back to their 28. 13 seconds left.
Rice for 3. We're going to OT....
Ravens win the flip and will receive the kickoff in OT.
TheMatrix31
12-13-2010, 10:50 PM
Please let us have the luck this time. Let us win. Please. On my birthday weekend. Please.
Ravens down the kickoff in their endzone. Ravens ball at their 20.
Flacco nearly sacked but completes it to Mason for 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Pollard TFL -1 on McGahee. 3rd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Bolden gets the 1st down at the Texan 41.
Pollard deflects the pass, inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Flacco's pass sails inc. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Flacco is sacked back at the Raven 30! Ravens to punt!
Damn, JJ. Fields the ball and runs backwards. Texans ball at their 8.
Schaub can't find anyone open and chunks it away. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Oh jeminy..... Schaub throws an INT - pick 6 by Wilson. Ravens win.
Final score:
Ravens 34, Texans 28
Nconroe
12-13-2010, 10:59 PM
darn - it, cudda been
chuck
12-13-2010, 11:01 PM
This franchise is a barrel of vomit.
Just when ya start to feel good about things, they crush ya like a bug....
I think Matt's arm was about to fall off.... no mustard on that toss....
'nother tough loss.... Have to take it out on the Titans next week...
Keith
12-13-2010, 11:08 PM
goodnight, irene
chuck
12-13-2010, 11:15 PM
goodnight, irene
Sadly, you're singing to Irene and not Gary. Nine years of futility. The Texans are a franchise comparable in the NFL only to the Bills and the Lions.
Big Texas
12-13-2010, 11:20 PM
This game represents Kubiak's legacy here in Houston.
So much talent WASTED...
Kubiak's legacy...
1. Every game was an almost game
2. Underprepared
3. Last minute mistakes
4. Never living up to expectation
5. Stubborn
6. Hires staff based on relationship, not experience or proven credentials
7. Accountability seems non-existent for anyone on the staff
8. Overall: the biggest WASTE of talent
With Kubiak at the helm, Detroit and Cleveland will reach the playoffs before us. So far Oakland, KC, Tampa, and (seemingly St. Louis) are on track to surpass us.
chuck
12-13-2010, 11:25 PM
Goddam, I'm tired of this team.
Good night, all.
Fonz the Boss
12-14-2010, 12:01 AM
What a great game!!! Just wish we could have been on the winning end of it. I feel for Schaub because we wouldnt have been in it if it wasn't for his gutsy performance. It was a gut check for him in the 4th quarter and he responded with some great throws and amazing 4th down conversions. I know he wants to have that pick 6 back and I guarantee you that nobody feels worse about that loss than him. I'll say this for the millionth time. This team does not need a complete overhaul. It only needs a new DC and veterans in the back end of the defense. The second half showed that if you are able to dial up blitzes and put pressure then your secondary has a better chance to make plays. There is no need for a new HC and a complete overhaul on our offensive scheme. Learning a new playbook will set the offense back at least one more year. If our defense was at least a middle of the pack D then we would no bout be a playoff team this year. Im a believer in GQ and KJ. They cant possibly play any worse next year especially if we bring in a qualified DC.
Nconroe
12-14-2010, 12:02 AM
Well, we apparently set an NFL record tonight, four times in one year to come back from two touchdowns or more down to tie or take the lead, and then loose.
They just can't finish, for a variety of reasons this year.
And it was an entertaining, exciting game, with a lousy end for our side.
coloradodude
12-14-2010, 12:44 AM
Wow, I was so certain we were gonna get manhandled I didn't even bother posting that. At half time I knew I was right. At the kickoff of the second half I was gonna turn the TV off.
But then I wanted the Texans to really get pounded only to my disappointment. AJ made that incredible one hand snatch and then the TD.
What did I learn? I hope Schaub bounces back because he is amazing. Talk about Mr Cool.
The ending sucked but what a fantastic second half. We need to do something with that defense though.
nunusguy
12-14-2010, 06:16 AM
Schaub did play a great game, but ended up feeling like a fast-baller who started, went all the way, and then had to go into extra innings with over way over 100 pitchs on that arm, and in the end had no zip on the ball. What did he end up with, 60 some passes ?
In some ways a strong effort and the defense did hold up in the second half, but too many dropped balls by the receivers and too many missed tackles by the defenders. I guess that's an issue about focus or preparation ?
BTW, our little 4th round corner #29 (Quinn), came up strong I thought last night ?
HPF Bob
12-14-2010, 10:41 AM
They are the Houston ****************-Ups. There's just no other way to say it. They can't put four good quarters together and find a way to lose practically every week.
cadams
12-14-2010, 10:47 AM
I'll say this for the millionth time. This team does not need a complete overhaul. It only needs a new DC and veterans in the back end of the defense ...Learning a new playbook will set the offense back at least one more year.
A year huh? tell that to the Jets, falcons, and the list of other teams taht have changed coaches and gone to the playoffs the following year who have gotten jobs since kubiak was hired.
this is not a shot at you in any way, but the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk. the only way is sets a team backis if they hire the wrong guy.
also, they always fight back because they don't score in the first half and then have to get themselves back into the game.
I just wonder why it takes so long to get a freaking play in.
I think it is because the what-ever-his-name-is OC, is good at the run game as note Foster's runs, but when it comes to the passing game, Kubes has had to take over and call the routes and protection schemes, leaving precious little time to his job of running the overall team. JMHO
edo783
12-14-2010, 09:48 PM
Last night the headsets weren't working most of the time for us. That slowed the plays getting in.
Nconroe
12-14-2010, 10:03 PM
...the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk.
not debating change or don't change coaches, however, if this next year is a lockout of players, it will for sure be a problem to change coaches.
likely overall changing coaches in a normal year is also causing an upset, indendent of who he is, always exceptions as you mentioned to the majority of situations.
I guess team is too young overall, too many players not being consistent is problemo for this year, and playing some good teams, and injuries, and suspensions, all part of the losses. will another year help, I don't know.
In this games we outgained Ravens 489 yards to 253 yards, more first downs 28 to 19, barely led time of possession, so, in no way were Texans dominated. Defense did pretty good and got sacks as well. field position and penalties and turnovers is what led to Ravens points, mostly execution things.
Fonz the Boss
12-15-2010, 01:23 AM
this is not a shot at you in any way, but the argumetn that changing coaches will set them back is bunk. the only way is sets a team backis if they hire the wrong guy.
I know there are instances in which teams make the playoffs with first year coaches but it does not happen often. The problem I have with a new HC is that it will shake things up entirely when clearly our problems are on the defensive side of the football. Our offense is still number 6 overall and has been a top 10 offense all year long. I don't believe we've ever had this type of balanced attack before. I don't mean to bash on Schaub because he is very qualified at what he does, but he is what he is because he knows the system like the back of his hand. Kubs has mentioned before that he is one of the few QBs in the league that can go without practice, be given the game plan, and not miss a beat on gameday with the playcalling. I believe a new system will set him back into mediocrity. However, with all the frustration of another losing season I can understand why alot of people want Kubiak out of here.
cadams
12-15-2010, 12:03 PM
the offense has plenty of problems. sure they are high in a lot of categories,but when they go blank for the first half of every game that is an issue. i am not saying the offense isn't good, but defenses play different when they have double-digit leads.
barrett
12-15-2010, 12:13 PM
I don't understand how people can think this will change without a change at Head Coach. I keep hearing explanations that the Offense is ok and the defense is the problem.
On every football team I've ever been a part of as a player or coach, the defensive performance is the responsibility of the head coach (along with offense and special teams and everything else).
If it is a coaching problem with the DC, then Kubiak has had 5 years and two coordinators to get it worked out, and things are worse than they have ever been. If he hired wrong, coached wrong, drafted wrong, supported wrong, and motivated wrong on defense for 5 years, how will he now all of a sudden get it right if given one more chance.
He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity. Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.
Either way we need a new Head coach who can improve the defensive side of the ball immediately before we entirely waste the core of offensive talent we have as well as Andre Johnson's entire prime. And we don't need to hope we are guessing right with a young guy. The window will close on our offensive talent if we don't act quickly. How many more years of prime AJ, healthy Schaub, and under contract Foster can we count on? Do we really want to spend those years hoping that Kubiak doing the same thing somehow magically results in different results?
I don't understand how people can think this will change without a change at Head Coach. I keep hearing explanations that the Offense is ok and the defense is the problem.
On every football team I've ever been a part of as a player or coach, the defensive performance is the responsibility of the head coach (along with offense and special teams and everything else).
If it is a coaching problem with the DC, then Kubiak has had 5 years and two coordinators to get it worked out, and things are worse than they have ever been. If he hired wrong, coached wrong, drafted wrong, supported wrong, and motivated wrong on defense for 5 years, how will he now all of a sudden get it right if given one more chance.
He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity. Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.
Either way we need a new Head coach who can improve the defensive side of the ball immediately before we entirely waste the core of offensive talent we have as well as Andre Johnson's entire prime. And we don't need to hope we are guessing right with a young guy. The window will close on our offensive talent if we don't act quickly. How many more years of prime AJ, healthy Schaub, and under contract Foster can we count on? Do we really want to spend those years hoping that Kubiak doing the same thing somehow magically results in different results?
I think a shakeup is on the way - no doubt about that. Whether they totally clean house or whack a bunch of the defensive coaches I'm OK with it. I really don't strain my brain thinking about it because it is not my decision. If Kubes goes, fine. If he stays, fine. I'll still be rooting for the Texans next year.
As to the bolded, I think you are referring to management, correct? Because I've seen this logic flipped at *the fans* lately on other messageboards as though any fan that is not on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon, is automatically happy with failure and mediocrity. I don't think any fan is happy with 5-8. Hell, I want 'em to go to the SuperBowl every year....
There's not much to defend Kubes with these days. I've seen some very logical arguments about why he should go. About the only positive thing you can say, from what I hear and read, is that the players still believe in him and give 100% effort (even though they keep coming up short).....
chuck
12-15-2010, 10:27 PM
He should be fired. Anything else is accepting failure and mediocrity.
Preach it, brother.
coloradodude
12-15-2010, 11:22 PM
Let a defensive coach come in and fix that side of the ball while leaving our offense in place with a Kubiak/Shanahan guy as OC. If Dungy can be talked out of the studio with enough zeroes he is the guy since he is a scheme guy who is used to covering up inadequate parts with system. If not go with Cowher and let him sign whoever he wants and draft whoever he wants to transition to a 3-4.
I like your thinking here about Dungy. Dungy had a bad rap for a while that he couldn't take a team to the SB but once he had a competitive QB, he was fine...but he didn't go to the SB every year still. Take Peyton Manning out of the picture and Dungy may never have gone.
And that's my thoughts on a parallel situation in Schottenheimer.
Dungy or Schottenheimer assure the Texans of a very, very physical team that demands respect. At this point, that's all I want which means 11 wins in a season.
barrett
12-15-2010, 11:47 PM
I think a shakeup is on the way - no doubt about that. Whether they totally clean house or whack a bunch of the defensive coaches I'm OK with it. I really don't strain my brain thinking about it because it is not my decision. If Kubes goes, fine. If he stays, fine. I'll still be rooting for the Texans next year.
As to the bolded, I think you are referring to management, correct? Because I've seen this logic flipped at *the fans* lately on other messageboards as though any fan that is not on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon, is automatically happy with failure and mediocrity. I don't think any fan is happy with 5-8. Hell, I want 'em to go to the SuperBowl every year....
There's not much to defend Kubes with these days. I've seen some very logical arguments about why he should go. About the only positive thing you can say, from what I hear and read, is that the players still believe in him and give 100% effort (even though they keep coming up short).....
yes, I am referring to management. If Kubiak stays, I will not be happy, but I will start next season truly rooting for him to prove me wrong. And I will start week 1 thinking this is the year. That is my right as a fan.
But the ownership, and Rick Smith if he is involved on that level, should not have the option to ignore the writing on the wall like I can as a fan.
barrett
12-15-2010, 11:49 PM
I like your thinking here about Dungy. Dungy had a bad rap for a while that he couldn't take a team to the SB but once he had a competitive QB, he was fine...but he didn't go to the SB every year still. Take Peyton Manning out of the picture and Dungy may never have gone.
And that's my thoughts on a parallel situation in Schottenheimer.
Dungy or Schottenheimer assure the Texans of a very, very physical team that demands respect. At this point, that's all I want which means 11 wins in a season.
Dungy made TB a great defensive team but they were bad on offense. But they were still playoff good. He then won a superbowl when he took over an Indy team that was already set on offense and just needed someone to scheme their bad defensive players into an average defense. He also had his ego in check enough that he didn't tear a good offense apart just to put his stamp on it. That is the exact job here in Houston.
Interestingly enough, Gruden did a reverse Dungy with Dungy's old team (fixing the broken offense and leaving the D alone). I don't want him here because I think he would start over on offense, or at least try to use the same parts to make a different whole.
Go with a defensive head coach and tell him to scheme this team's players into a top 15 defense, and we are a home field advantage type of team.
Nconroe
12-16-2010, 12:52 AM
fwiw, I like Dungy over all the options mentioned . And I too will cheer for Texans next fall no matter how things go. I did like how all the blitzes worked this last game.
popanot
12-16-2010, 09:19 AM
I'm willing to take a step backwards offensively next year if it means finally getting the defense fixed and the future years bring playoff caliber teams. With that being said, unless the next coach wants to go strictly to a power game, which hardly ANY NFL team does nowadays, I think there's enough talent here to still have a pretty potent offense - regardless of scheme or coach. Foster is power+speed, AJ is AJ, and I doubt any coach is going to replace Schaub anytime soon. The only major change a new HC would probably make personnel-wise on offense is the interior OL and who would have a problem with that? As for the playbook, come on, these guys are big boys and can learn it (I would hope).
I hear a lot of people saying the offense isn't a problem and doesn't need change. Really? Then why has it struggled all season coming out of the gate? Also, these guys still struggle mightily against aggressive defenses most of the time. If we have the talent, then could it be numbskull coaching?? The big numbers this year are mostly due to this team being so far behind and having to play catch up against defenses that have softened up a bit. Obviously the defense is awful and puts them in a hole, but the offense (at least in the first half of games) and return game hasn't helped much.
Aside from the oddball game-plans and idiotic coaching at times, this offense needs a solid #2 and #3 WR (can we please see Dorin Dickerson?), major improvement at G and C (I've seen enough of Meyers getting tossed around), solid TE play (been 2 years now and we've drafted a gazzilion TEs - goodbye OD, let's see Casey/Graham/Hill), and a decent NFL-worthy backup QB. IMO, Kubiak and Smith have done an awful job filling the gaps around AJ, Schaub and Foster and have left the offense very thin at critical positions. If any of the big 3 went down this year, we would have been screwed. Well, worse than we've already been screwed...
If Kubiak isn't fired this year, then McNair needs to step in and demand he hire a top defensive coordinator. There should be a few available such as; Marvin Lewis, Wade Phillips, potentially Lovie Smith, Singletary, John Fox, Leslie Frazer just to new a few. IMO, he should also pull the reigns on Kubiak having final say on personnel. Not that Smith would be any better, but let GM be GM and the HC be the HC. If Kubiak doesn't like it, well then step down.
popanot
12-16-2010, 09:52 AM
Interestingly enough, Gruden did a reverse Dungy with Dungy's old team (fixing the broken offense and leaving the D alone). I don't want him here because I think he would start over on offense, or at least try to use the same parts to make a different whole.
Go with a defensive head coach and tell him to scheme this team's players into a top 15 defense, and we are a home field advantage type of team.First off, in general, I'd be shocked if any of the top candidates (Dungy, Cowher, Gruden) would come here and/or that McNair would pay them what it would take. But responding to your comment, I think it would be better bringing in an offensive guy like Gruden than it would bringing in a defensive guy. I just don't think it would all that difficult for these guys we have on O to be productive in a new/normal offensive scheme. I think they'd be just as effective in a scheme such as Altanta's or with what Tennessee or the NYG (just a few examples) run. Of course, there would need to be some tweaks, but the base is there and I think these guys are smart enough to learn and figure it out. And as I recall, Gruden's offense was very pass-oriented and WC-style.
I think someone like Gruden would recognize the fact the work needs to be done on the defensive side would try to keep the offense as close as possible to what it currently is. My concern with a defense-minded HC would be that he'd be very similar to Kubiak and not have a clue what to do offensively and/or bring in his own "Denver" crew and totally screw things up. Personally, I think Dungy and Gruden would see where the work needs to done and fix that area. Cowher on the other hand may be a cocky enough to change everything and try to duplicate what he had in Pittsburgh, which may work but could also blow up in our face.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that Kubiak needs to go, though.
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