View Full Version : Official Texans vs. Giants Game Thread, 10/10/2010
The 3-1 Texans will take on the 2-2 New York Giants this weekend at Reliant. If the Texans want to see 4-1, they will need to fight off the Giants and their very aggressive defense which looked awesome on the recent Sunday night game vs. Chicago - so the Texans O-line will have their work cut out. The Texans are presently 1-1 against the NFC East this year and it will be another opportunity for Coach Gary Kubiak to take his career W/L record over .500 for the first time (currently 34-34).
TV = FOX (Channel 26 local), 12 pm CST
Announcers (http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-5) = Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston, Tony Siragusa
Opening line = Texans by 3.5
Current line (http://www.madduxsports.com/nfl-odds.php) = Texans by 2.5 to 3
Set your DVR's....
barrett
10-05-2010, 08:53 PM
The Giants D looked awesome against the Bears but terrible against the Colts. The major difference in those games was that the Colts ran the ball all night and the Bears threw it every down. The Giants have an upfield Defensive line, so it is crucial we run the ball at them. If we can run it I don't think we'll have much trouble.
Plus the Giants offense has not looked great. So here's to a healthy dose of Foster and a number of screens to all the backs (and OD) to take advantage of their DL.
HPF Bob
10-06-2010, 12:21 AM
I agree that getting the RBs going early and using misdirections, screens and draws to slow down the rush is critical. We can't have Schaub chucking and ducking all day and expect to win.
Getting Cushing back will, I hope, make us better in pass defense. Last week's group of Ryans, Diles and Adibi just seemed too light to go against the physical Raiders. The Giants are another team that would just as soon run through you than pass over you.
dalemurphy
10-06-2010, 01:35 AM
I agree that getting the RBs going early and using misdirections, screens and draws to slow down the rush is critical. We can't have Schaub chucking and ducking all day and expect to win.
Getting Cushing back will, I hope, make us better in pass defense. Last week's group of Ryans, Diles and Adibi just seemed too light to go against the physical Raiders. The Giants are another team that would just as soon run through you than pass over you.
Diles had his worst game as a pro, IMO. I'm not sure why.
This week, though, Bradshaw has an injured ankle/foot and may have trouble playing. Every play Brandon Jacob is in the game, we are one play close to a win! So, that situation bears watching.
TheMatrix31
10-06-2010, 03:48 AM
Wish we had Duane for this game, but screw it. Don't let them get a pass rush going. Pick spots to throw, run the ball, wouldn't mind using Slaton in the screen game. Let's do it.
painekiller
10-06-2010, 10:29 AM
Wish we had Duane for this game, but screw it. Don't let them get a pass rush going. Pick spots to throw, run the ball, wouldn't mind using Slaton in the screen game. Let's do it.
Butler is about the same as Brown in pass pro, IMO. He is a little less in the run blocking. Not a big drop off with him in the game. Wish we could figure a way to get Butler Brown and Winston on the field together after the suspension is over.
nunusguy
10-06-2010, 10:30 AM
Our rushing offense will be a key this weekend, so lets hope and pray that Foster dosen't miss any meetings.
LT sub Butler seemed to play a pretty descent game in Oakland, hope he keeps it up. On the subject of the Oline, guess the Texans are still platooning/rotating Brisiel & Caldwell @ RG ? Isn't this pretty unusual at this point of the season and is it possibly counter-productive to not settle on one guy and go with him as the unquestioned first-stringer ?
The Giants will put up a fierce passrush on D and come out with a quick pass 3 step drop ala Dallas on offense, until we prove we can overcome that gameplan. Our answer should be a big dose of Foster running the ball. Hopefully our WRs and TEs will be more healthy for this game so we can become multidimensional.
Nconroe
10-06-2010, 05:31 PM
Heard a report that AJ practiced full speed today and JJ won't practice full speed till Friday. About what I expected to hear.
As long as we don't commit stupid turnovers and penalties on offense, I guess we will do well against Giants, but likely be a close game again.
And maybe we get some big plays on special teams, that would be good to see.
Go Texans!
edo783
10-06-2010, 08:57 PM
Heard a report that AJ practiced full speed today and JJ won't practice full speed till Friday. About what I expected to hear.
As long as we don't commit stupid turnovers and penalties on offense, I guess we will do well against Giants, but likely be a close game again.
And maybe we get some big plays on special teams, that would be good to see.
Go Texans!
The NFL Total Access said he didn't practice at all????
popanot
10-10-2010, 10:59 AM
ESPN's Rachel Nichols (why does she report like she's a kindergarten teacher?) who is at Reliant just reported that AJ and Mario will play today.
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 11:32 AM
Wish we could figure a way to get Butler Brown and Winston on the field together after the suspension is over.
So you're saying that Butler is one of our 5 best Olineman ?
On todays game, I expect to see both AJ & Mario on the field but dunno how effective each will be ? At this point they are probably 2 of our 3 MVPs, so their health is a big issue.
ESPN's Rachel Nichols (why does she report like she's a kindergarten teacher?) who is at Reliant just reported that AJ and Mario will play today.
Eheh, true. I can't believe NFL Network has Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin on the same panel. Man, that's a lot of ego for the average viewer to handle....
Gametime!
Texans win the toss and will receive.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 24.
TE screen to OD goes for 19. Ball at the Texan 43.
1st down pass is batted down.
Schaub set to pass has the ball knocked out but Texans recover. Loss of 3, 3rd down, 13.
Dump to Foster loses 4 so Texans have to punt.
Punt is returned to the Giant 29 but flag on the play. Block in the back on Giants = 1/2 the distance to the goal.
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 12:07 PM
Notice there were no running plays the first drive.
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 12:10 PM
KC starts the game with a botched onside KO attempt. Indy gets down near the goalline but settles for three. Buffalo takes the early 7-0 lead on Jackassville.
Ball ends up at the Giants 9.
Bradshaw TFL for -4. Brings up 2nd and 14.
2nd down pass goes inc. Cushing in hot pursuit of Manning...
Timeout Giants.
On 3rd and 14, Manning's dump to Bradshaw is dropped so Giants have to punt.
DA brings the kickoff back to the Texan 46.
Foster for 3. Brings up 2nd and 7.
Foster for 3 more. Brings up 3rd and 4.
3rd down pass is tipped inc. so Texans have to punt.
Oh man, punt returner muffs the punt but Giants recover. Giants ball at around their 15.
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 12:20 PM
Fortunate bounce for the Giants. Texans O needs to move the ball.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:21 PM
Teams are starting to catch on to those short slants. Early on this DLine is really getting a jump on them...
Manning's pass good for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Pass to Boss good for 19. 1st down.
Bradshaw changes field for 23 yards.
Pass goes for 6. 2nd and 4 coming up. Ball at the Texan 28.
Bradshaw gets about 3. Brings up 3rd and 1.
Bradshaw gets about 5 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 21.
Screen to Nicks gets 15. Ball at the Texan 6, 1st and goal.
Flat pass to Nicks good for the TD.
Giants 7, Texans 0
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:27 PM
Kareem sucks...
Every week...
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 12:29 PM
The whole league has figured out where to throw. Nice to see Cushing back though.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the 21 but flag on the play. Block in the back on Texans -10. Texans ball at their 10.
Foster tackled in the backfield -3. 2nd and 13 coming up.
Pass to OD gets just enough for the 1st down. Ball at the 20.
Schaub's pass is INT'ed at the 40 by Rolle. Giants ball.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:33 PM
Kareem again...
There is Shaub's dumb ass throw again...
Every week...
TheMatrix31
10-10-2010, 12:34 PM
Schaub's Shitty-Throw-Of-The-Game (tm)
Manning's pass good for 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Jacobs gets 4 and the 1st down.
Pass to Nicks beats the blitz and Nicks takes it all the way to the Texan 1. 1st and goal.
Jacobs punches it in.
Giants 14, Texans 0
We are getting outcoached again, just like in the Dallas game. Come on Texans pick up the slack and play ball the way we know you can.
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 12:35 PM
This one's getting away from us quickly.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:35 PM
Kareem chasing again....
Every time there is a big play for the other team's offense, KJackson is involved...
Its time to start assessing...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:36 PM
We are getting outcoached again, just like in the Dallas game. Come on Texans pick up the slack and play ball the way we know you can.
Kubiak is outcoaching himself again...
popanot
10-10-2010, 12:37 PM
I'm so sick of these guys coming out flat all the time at home. WTF?!!!
Another penalty on the kickoff. Jesus!!!
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:38 PM
No ones falling for the quick slant anymore...
Thats why Shaub is standing the pocket so long...
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the 20 but holding on Texans backs it up to the 7. (deja vu)
Yo, Schaub's pass nearly INT'ed but inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster for -1. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Schaub pressured, chunks it away. Texans have to punt.
Giants catch the punt at the Texan 45 but holding on the Giants backs it up. Ball at the Giants 45.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:40 PM
Blowout....
Offense can't move, Defense still sucks...
Blowout...
Pass to Nicks good for 16. 1st down. Ball at the Texans 39.
Pass to Nicks good for 8 more.
End of 1st quarter. Texans in danger of getting blown out of the stadium.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:42 PM
CBs 20 yards off the recievers. For what? Playcalling...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:44 PM
D. Coordinator Fired....
Immediately...
No rush...
No coverage...
Giving up league leading scoring and pass yards....
What other evidence is needed...
popanot
10-10-2010, 12:44 PM
This team is going nowhere with this defense.
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 12:45 PM
So much for the home field advantage.. At least we are still tied for 1st in the division at 3-2 because the Giants are not going to fold.
Pass to Nicks takes the ball to the Texan 18.
Bradshaw gains 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Timeout Giants - have 1 left.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:45 PM
Only good thing about this game is I started Nicks on my fantasy league...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:47 PM
Every time people put faith in us nationally, we come out like shit...
Nicks 6 catches for 85 yards.
Bradshaw for no gain. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Manning hits Nicks wide open in the endzone for the TD.
Giants 21, Texans 0
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee.............
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:52 PM
I am so curious to see the press conference...
Someone needs to be fired after this game...
Bush....
Bush...
Bush...
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 12:53 PM
Dunno what to think of this game ? Thought maybe close, going down to the wire but did not expect getting blowout by a Giants team with such an unheralded offense ? But the QBs name is Manning and that WR Nix is very,
very good.
Schaub must have been up late with the baby last night, because he's sure off mark on his passes ?
177 yds so far for the Giants. 21 points
28 yds for the mity Texans! El zippo points.
Kubiak, get your head out of your arse!!!
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:54 PM
If your offense is ever stuggling, come play the Texans you will definitely turn that frown upside down...
Slaton brings the kickoff back - horsecollar on the Giants puts the ball at the Texan 45.
Foster for 3. Brings up 2nd and 7.
Schaub's pass to AJ goes inc. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Walter good to the Giants 42. 1st down.
Dump to Leach gets about 5. 2nd and 5 coming up.
Foster for no gain. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:56 PM
The reason the defense is always in the right spot is because the offense is so elementary...
They get by on talent alone...
The scheme sucks...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 12:57 PM
Get your ass up..
Don't start acting like your injured...
You are just getting your ass kicked...
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 12:59 PM
Go texans go!!!
On 3rd and 4, pass to OD gets the 1st down.
Pass to AJ deflected inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Foster gets 3. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Schaub's pass sails inc. Texans to attempt 38 yard FG.
FG is good! Yipppeeee!
Giants 21, Texans 3
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 01:02 PM
yes!!!... that avoids a shutout :D
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:02 PM
Why even kick a field goal. Just so the ass kickin doesn't look that bad...
Schaub looks like a deer in the headlights. Why not blits the hell out of the Giants? Do something unexpected for a change. Quit being so one dimensional.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:06 PM
Schaub looks like a deer in the headlights. Why not blits the hell out of the Giants? Do something unexpected for a change. Quit being so one dimensional.
Hasn't Bush shown you thus far this season...He is incapable of doing anything?
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 01:06 PM
Dunno where Schaub was going with that last pass, but we're lucky it wasn't intercepted.
Is this game over ? This is a hellvu defense to come back on, plus I doubt that Manning is done for the day, especially when he's going against a defense that can't generate any pressure.
Please lets stop using second-round picks on backs, lets use 'em all on pass-rushers ? Someday we gotta get a pass-rush here in Houston ?
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:06 PM
I hate when players start acting injured when they are getting it handed to them...Suck it up and try to come back...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:08 PM
Dunno where Schaub was going with that last pass, but we're lucky it wasn't intercepted.
Is this game over ? This is a hellvu defense to come back on, plus I doubt that Manning is done for the day, especially when he's going against a defense that can't generate any pressure.
Please lets stop using second-round picks on backs, lets use 'em all on pass-rushers ? Someday we gotta get a pass-rush here in Houston ?
We need an interior d line..
Giants bring the kickoff back to their 20. 8:40 left in the half. Dickerson down on the play.
Manning's pass to Nicks goes inc. but flag on the play. Offsetting penalties. Replay 1st down.
Jacobs rushes up the gut for 7. 2nd and 3 coming up.
Jacobs gets 3 and the 1st down.
Deep pass to Smith goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Jacobs for 1. Brings up 3rd and 9.
Mannings 3rd down pass sails inc. Giants have to punt.
DA brings the punt back to the Texan 37 but flag on the play. Holding on Giants +10.
Ball at the Texan 47.
Dump to Leach gets about 12 but flag on the play. AJ with the block on the back. Makes it 1st and 7.
Schaub's pass is batted down. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Foster bottled up on the sweep goes for -1. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Dump to DA goes no gain. Texans have to punt.
Turk's punt goes out of bounds at about the Giants 3. Giants ball.
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 01:17 PM
How the hell does a 6-6 QB get so many balls batted down ?
TheMatrix31
10-10-2010, 01:17 PM
Matt Schaub thinks he's David Carr.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:19 PM
Like I said, their offensive scheme sucks...
It is so simple that everyone has easily picked up on it...
It is so funny to me how tight the Giants are playing AJohnson...
While we are giving 20 yards to their 1st and 2nd year recievers...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:20 PM
How the hell does a 6-6 QB get so many balls batted down ?
Because our offensive scheme is so simple that every knows where he's going before he does...
Bradshaw gets 8. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Bradshaw close to the 1st down. Measurement pending..... 1st down.
Pass to Smith gets 5 or 6. 2nd and 5 coming up.
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 01:21 PM
We let them out of a hole again.
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 01:22 PM
Go Texans Go!!!
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:22 PM
We spent all off season talking about how well coached and physical Kareem Jackson was. Why the hell is he playing so damn far off the recievers. It would seem as though he would be playing alot of bump coverage...
Pass to Smith good for 17. 1st down.
Bradshaw runs for 14 on the delay. Ball near midfield.
2 minute warning.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:24 PM
Look for Kareem and throw it...
That is the Giants offensive game plan...
I don't care what any of you guys say...
Dunta was never getting beat consistently like this...
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 01:24 PM
We will make adjustments in the 2nd half and we will win this game... watch
Look for Kareem and throw it...
That is the Giants offensive game plan...
I don't care what any of you guys say...
Dunta was never getting beat consistently like this...
Dude, for the love of God, back away from the keyboard...
Whoa, deep pass to Nicks is dropped - he was wide open.
Bradshaw for 5. 3rd and 5 coming up.
Pass to Boss gets 5 and the 1st down.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:27 PM
That was Kareem again...
Got lucky on the drop..Would have been another TD...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 01:29 PM
Dude, for the love of God, back away from the keyboard...
I'll try...
I just don't ever recall seeing a single CB targeted as much as Kareem this game...
1st down pass goes inc. 46 seconds left.
Pass to Boss gets 8. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass to Smith overthrown but flag on the play. Holding on GQ - auto 1st down. Ball at the Texan 27. 13 seconds left.
Manning's pass sails inc. Giants to go for the FG.
45 yard FG is good.
Giants 24, Texans 3
2 seconds left in the half.
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 01:31 PM
you gotta believe... I believed when we were getting our tails kicked in Washington
Earl Mitchell covers up the squib kick. Still 1 second left in the half.
Schaub kneels it.
Halftime.
Da Giants ain't Washington Dude. We needed the ball back in the worst way. The Giants just casually moved the ball from their own 3yd line all the way to a FG with 3 seconds left in the half. Way to go Defense. Our defense sucked. Kubiak have you got an adjustment for the second half, Something that is not so vanilla as what you called in the first half?
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 8/17, 69 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Foster 8/9
Receiving: OD 3/45, Leach 2/18, KW 1/10
Tackles: Ryans/Cushing 5 each, Nolan/Jackson 4 each, Pollard/Okoye/GQ 3 each
Time of possession: Giants 17:33, Texans 12:27
3rd down conversions: Texans 2/7, Giants 3/5
Red zone: Giants 3/3, Texans 0/0
Turnovers: Giants 0, Texans 1
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 01:43 PM
3 and out for the Giants coming out of the half then we score our first TD
you gotta believe... I believed when we were getting our tails kicked in Washington
They'll do better in the 2nd half .... Can't have a half much worse than that one...
Rackers kickoff is brought back to the Giants 24.
Bradshaw TFL -2. Brings up 2nd and 12.
Dump to Bradshaw gets 5 or 6. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Manning pressured chunks it away. Giants have to punt.
DA smothered on the punt about the Texan 17. Texans ball.
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 01:52 PM
Any particular reason why Kubiak keeps DA on the team, other than he went to CSU ? He's so slow.
Schaub pressured chunks it inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Deep pass to AJ goes for a big gainer. 48 yards. Ball at the Giants 45.
Ball is knocked loose from Schaub. Tuck recovers. Giants ball. Oy.
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 01:57 PM
3 and out for the Giants coming out of the half then we score our first TD
Nevermind, we needed to score on that drive to have a chance.... Its over
Ball at the Texan 47.
Manning can't find anyone open and scrambles for 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Jacobs -2 on the sweep right but flag on the play.... Leg whip on Giants. Makes it 2nd and 21.
Dump to Boss gets 7. 3rd and 14 coming up.
INT'ed by McManis! Texans ball near midfield.
Slaton for 3. Brings up 2nd and 7.
Pass to KW gets a 1st down at the Giants 35.
Schaub's pass is dropped by DA. Personal foul on Dreesen backs it up 15.
Deep pass to AJ goes inc. 2nd and 25 coming up.
Pass to AJ good for 7. 3rd and 18 coming up.
Pre-snap offsides Giants +5. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Pass to OD is knocked loose inc. Texans have to punt.
Punt goes into the endzone. Giants ball at their 20.
Pass to Boss gets knocked loose inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Manning pressured throws it out of bounds. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Flag on Giants -5..... 3rd and 15...
INT'ed by KJ! Brings it all the way back to the Texan 17.
Pass to AJ goes to 1.
Ward rushes the one yard for the TD!
Giants 24, Texans 10
TheMatrix31
10-10-2010, 02:13 PM
Hey, Kareem Jacksoff did something!
I think Andre caught that pass anyway. Good to see Ward punch it in!
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 02:16 PM
That INT came from the pressure on the QB. I think Manning got hit when he threw that pass...
Way to make something of it KJ...
7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
Giants bring the kickoff back to the Texan 29.
Pass to Nicks goes for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Nicks gets 2. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Dang, Pass to Nicks gets about 15 and the 1st down. Ball at the Giant 46.
Bradshaw gets about 3. 2nd and 7 coming up.
Pass to Smith goes for 11 and a 1st down - ball at the Texan 39.
Bradshaw for about 2. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Dump to Bradshaw gets about 5. 3rd and 3 coming up.
Pass is caught out of bounds but illegal hands to the face on McCain. Auto 1st down Giants.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 02:20 PM
Back to same ol same ol KJ...
Bradshaw rushes for 3. About 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
Manning's pass in the endzone goes inc - no one home. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Pass by Manning is inc. Giants to go for the FG.
42 yard attempt is good.
Giants 27, Texans 10
1:22 left in the 3rd quarter.
TheMatrix31
10-10-2010, 02:25 PM
Pollard almost blocked that, damn.
Slaton not much on the kickoff. Ball at the Texan 13.
Dump to Ward gets about 12. 1st down.
Pass to KW off the mark. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Strike to AJ good for 18. 1st down.
Schaub sacked by Tuck back at the Texan 35. Makes it 2nd and 18.
End of 3rd quarter.
Dump to Foster gets about 6. 3rd and 12 coming up.
Schaub can't find anyone open and throws it away. Texans have to punt.
Giants bring the punt back to their 17.
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 02:36 PM
This game reminds me of the game last year in Reliant against the other NY team, except this one is a worse azz-thumpin.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 02:36 PM
I know I should not be rooting for Tennessee, but I just cannot see myself going for the Cowgirls...
14 minutes left in the game.
Jacobs rushes for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
Jacobs gets 1 and the 1st down.
Jacobs TFL by DeMeco -2. 2nd and 12 coming up.
Bobbled snap - Manning fall on it - loss of 5. 3rd and 17 coming up.
Manning scrambles for 7. Giants have to punt.
Nice return by DA but flag on the play. Illegal block in back on Nading.
Texans set up at their own 22. 10:33 left in the game.
Schaub shovels to Foster who drops it. 2nd and 10 coming up.
AJ drops it - pass slightly behind him. 3rd and 10 coming up.
Pass to AJ goes inc. but flag on the play. Holding on Winston declined. Texans have to punt.
Illegal block in back on Giants on the return. Giants ball at their own 27. 10:03 left in the game.
Pass to Smith goes for big gainer. 45 yards. Ball at the Texan 28.
Flag pre-snap. Delay of game Giants -5. 1st and 15.
Pass to Nicks good for about 7. 2nd and 8 coming up.
Pass to Nicks good for the 1st down at the Texan 17.
Bradshaw TFL -3. 2nd and 13 coming up.
Pass in the endzone to Boss overthrown. 3rd and 13 coming up.
Pass to Bradshaw gets about 9. Flag on the play. Holding on Giants is declined. Giants to go for the FG.
29 yarder is good but flag on the play. Offsides Pollard gives the Giants a 1st down.
Ball at the Texan 6.
Bradshaw rushes to the 1. 2nd and goal.
Jacobs TFL -3. 3rd and goal from the 4.
Pass to Smith good for the TD.
Giants 34, Texans 10
4:50 left in the game.
What we have here is a coach that can't see his ass from a molehill. With Kubiak at the helm we will never win the big one. I like him, he is a Houston boy and everything, but he simply cannot overcome his tendancy to underestimate his opponent. the Giants simply owned him from the getgo today.
Slaton brings the kickoff back to the Texan 17.
Foster sweeps right for 9. 2nd and 1 coming up.
Foster for 7. 1st down.
Run for 6.
Slaton tackled in backfield. Loss of about 2. 3rd and 8 coming up.
Pass off DA's hands too high inc. 4th and 8
Schaub bobbles the snap and hits Foster in the flat for no gain. Giants ball.
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 03:04 PM
I wish guys would make up their mind about what they think of the Texans. When we play good everybody rallies behind them giving props all around. When things go bad everybody wants somebody fired.... Chill out guys, we still have the division lead. We are not gonna play this bad every single week. Besides, this is the Fox jinx. We go back to CBS next week and things will be all right.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 03:05 PM
The problem is that Kubiak is a stubborn coach. He has an offense that he wants to run no matter what. He has assumed that the teams success has been because of his offense. I would counter that the teams success has been due to the talent on this team.
When presented with a defense that has figured out his offense, he simply has no adjustments. He continues to do the same thing. Thats why our losses have been blowouts.
We have playoff talent on this team. However, our coaching staff (offense/defense) is subpar...
Jacobs rushes for 14. Ball at the Texan 21.
2 minute warning.
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 03:07 PM
Giants controlled the los on both sides of the ball, and got pressure on Schaub whereas Manning had all day to throw the ball.
I think that's more about who's got the best players than who had the best game strategy, so I don't see todays loss as an issue about coaching.
Giants kneeling it out.
Final score:
Giants 34, Texans 10
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 03:08 PM
I wish guys would make up their mind about what they think of the Texans. When we play good everybody rallies behind them giving props all around. When things go bad everybody wants somebody fired.... Chill out guys, we still have the division lead. We are not gonna play this bad every single week. Besides, this is the Fox jinx. We go back to CBS next week and things will be all right.
Their is only one actual player that I have an issue with (KJ). My main concern is the coaching, both offense and defense. When we lose, we lose BADDDDDDD...
2 blowouts in 3 games is not reminiscent of a playoff team.
A loss I am OK with...A blowout I am not....
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 03:11 PM
Giants controlled the los on both sides of the ball, and got pressure on Schaub whereas Manning had all day to throw the ball.
I think that's more about who's got the best players than who had the best game strategy, so I don't see todays loss as an issue about coaching.
Good coaching adjusts to personnel. We have had the same OL and DL for about 1 year and a half now. We have talent. It is just not being used properly.
Giants controlled the los on both sides of the ball, and got pressure on Schaub whereas Manning had all day to throw the ball.
I think that's more about who's got the best players than who had the best game strategy, so I don't see todays loss as an issue about coaching.
I'm with this. Texans got out-physical'ed at the LOS. Sprinkle in some mental mistakes, untimely turnovers and you get complete domination from the Giants.
Time of possession: Giants 38:51, Texans 21:09
1st downs: Giants 26, Texans 11
Total yards: Giants 414, Texans 195
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 03:15 PM
Giants controlled the los on both sides of the ball, and got pressure on Schaub whereas Manning had all day to throw the ball.
I think that's more about who's got the best players than who had the best game strategy, so I don't see todays loss as an issue about coaching.
CBs lining up 10-15 yards off the recievers and consistently being punished underneath. Then when you decide to go Man to Man you get two picks. But for some reason you go right back to zone coverage to be beaten consistently again. A good coach adjusts and adjusts and adjusts until they find something that works.
The announcers consistently pointed out that the Defense consistently was a step ahead of the Offense. That is good coaching...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Safeties were consistently playing the cutback. Dlinemen did not have to get consistent pressure they only had to get a hand up because they were aware of Shaub's tendencies. This was good coaching...
This happens a lot with the Texans. A physical team just seems to totally discombobulate Kubiak. So I say he will never win the big one, and that is all we really care about, right? Is it time for a coaching change?
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 03:25 PM
This happens a lot with the Texans. A physical team just seems to totally discombobulate Kubiak. So I say he will never win the big one, and that is all we really care about, right? Is it time for a coaching change?
All I can say is that for you to have a top ranked receiving offense one year, then develop a top ranked rushing offense the next year you should never have games like today.
All the peices are there he just needs to learn to put them in the right spots at the right time...
painekiller
10-10-2010, 03:36 PM
We have been outcoached again. That was the worse game plan I have seen since the Cowboys game.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Something to think about:
DE: J. Babin (remember him?)
DT: J. Jones
DT: T. Brown
DE: W. Hayes
OLB:Winborn
OLB:Tulloch
MLB:Witherspoon
DE:M.Williams (beast)
DE:A. Smith
DT:A. Okoye
DT:S. Cody
OLB:Z. Diles
OLB:Ryans (beast)
MLB:B. Cushing (enough said)
Which team front seven leads the league in sacks?
Which would you expect based on talent?
chuck
10-10-2010, 03:56 PM
We have been outcoached again. That was the worse game plan I have seen since the Cowboys game.
Odd. Not a month ago you were lecturing us rubes who know nothing about football who had the temerity to object to the end-around. You were sternly telling us that the Texans have a 'well designed offense.'
What do you say to that now?
I was right all along. This is a 6-10 team. They might as well lock out the players next year becaue we're not seeing any professional football anyway.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 04:03 PM
I was right all along. This is a 6-10 team. They might as well lock out the players next year becaue we're not seeing any professional football anyway.
As much as I hate to admit to this, you could definitely be right. Unless Kubiak learns to adjust, teams will quickly catch on to our elementary offense...
Teams have already began to counter our short passing game. I hope they don't take today's tape as a lesson on how to stop Foster...
barrett
10-10-2010, 04:30 PM
Chuck, I say 6-10 is a huge overreaction. It puzzles me how much you seem to revel in a Texans defeat. Since I didn't live in Houston during the oilers days (was reborn a Texans fan from the first day of the franchise here), I will assume it is a coping mechanism that only the luv' ya blue guys can understand.
But either way I reiterate what I said after last season. NFL football teams will take on the personality and tenacity of either the QB or the Head Coach and one of those guys better be a winner and a dominant personality. The head coach can be a brains guy with the Xs and Os if the QB is a follow me guy. Or vice versa. But how do you win big when there is no dominant personality. Football is the most emotional sport around and we have nobody that sets the pace. Either QB or Coach has to move on or we never win a superbowl.
nunusguy
10-10-2010, 04:44 PM
Last week was the first time the teams been 3-1 and people wanted Kubiak to run for Prez, this week they want to fire him. Lets see what happens next week before the bye: we can end up .500 or be 4-2 for the first time with people wanting Kubiak to be Prez again.
But here's what really puzzles me ? How come the Texans are at their worst when they come home to play after a big road win ? Seems all the momentum and psychology and confidance should be with them ?
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 04:56 PM
Last week was the first time the teams been 3-1 and people wanted Kubiak to run for Prez, this week they want to fire him. Lets see what happens next week before the bye: we can end up .500 or be 4-2 for the first time with people wanting Kubiak to be Prez again.
But here's what really puzzles me ? How come the Texans are at their worst when they come home to play after a big road win ? Seems all the momentum and psychology and confidance should be with them ?
Who has been praising Kubiak throughout our brief win streak?
Never me. If anything the buzz around the league has been the emergence of Arian Foster. I don't recall anyone, of importance, praising Houston's dynamic playcalling. Like I have been saying, I think we have the talent, it is just the fact that Kubiak gets outcoached pretty frequently...
Us beating Indy week 1 was not some miraculous chess match between coaches. It was Arian Foster running wild. Same for the Raider game. Talent has us in the position we are in now, not some elite coaching staff...
I am not of the belief that Kubiak cannot get it together. But he has not done it so far.
Fonz the Boss
10-10-2010, 05:03 PM
I dont like losing but at least they are not conference games or division games. We have a chance to go 4-2 next week against the Chiefs. Besides we havent even played the Jags or Titans so winning the division is not an impossible thing. Even if we split against the Jags and Titans we will still be in a position to win the division. We gotta take care of our non divisional AFC opponents and we will be alright. Also, the problem is not with the offensive scheme. Its execution. The Giants' Dline executed very well today and our Oline didnt. I dont even have to talk about or defense's execution.
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 05:09 PM
But either way I reiterate what I said after last season. NFL football teams will take on the personality and tenacity of either the QB or the Head Coach and one of those guys better be a winner and a dominant personality. The head coach can be a brains guy with the Xs and Os if the QB is a follow me guy. Or vice versa. But how do you win big when there is no dominant personality. Football is the most emotional sport around and we have nobody that sets the pace. Either QB or Coach has to move on or we never win a superbowl.
It's an interesting point I haven't heard before. But is it true?
Is it true of Belichick/Brady?
Was it true of Manning/Dungy?
There are fiery dominant guys who have won big, no doubt. Just not sure I want to accept the premise.
painekiller
10-10-2010, 05:13 PM
Odd. Not a month ago you were lecturing us rubes who know nothing about football who had the temerity to object to the end-around. You were sternly telling us that the Texans have a 'well designed offense.'
What do you say to that now?
I was right all along. This is a 6-10 team. They might as well lock out the players next year becaue we're not seeing any professional football anyway.
If you go back and look at my preseason prediction I said 6-10 also. Having a well designed offense is useless with a bad game plan. The Texans have been flat for 3 weeks on offense, and they have had some really bad defensive game plans.
That has nothing to do with the design of the offense.
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 05:17 PM
I dont like losing but at least they are not conference games or division games. We have a chance to go 4-2 next week against the Chiefs. Besides we havent even played the Jags or Titans so winning the division is not an impossible thing. Even if we split against the Jags and Titans we will still be in a position to win the division. We gotta take care of our non divisional AFC opponents and we will be alright.
Excellent point. We technically still lead the division and are undefeated in the conference. If we can get AJ/JJ healthy again, I'm not worried about the offense.
The defense, however, has some major issues that need to be addressed. I love Pollard in the secondary but he's the only guy who carries his weight. Right now, Kareem Jackson might as well wear a flashing neon hot pink jersey because the opponents are finding him on every pass play. Kubiak has to decide whether it is better to preserve the season or preserve their top rookie's confidence.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 05:17 PM
Some think it is scheme, others think it is execution. Truth is we will never know. However, look at it this way...If you were the coordinator and your team was just sucking or missing wide open possibilities, wouldn't you be kind of upset? Wouldn't it show?
It is very clear when someone misses an assignment or blows a major opportunity. Kubiak will get in their face. However,Kubiak showed little to no emotion. IMO because there was nothing there. How can you get mad at the Oline when the Dline is jumping to the zone before they can even get outta their stance. Teams are over anticipating our play calling...
Kubiak needs to be creative when teams have figured him out...
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 05:20 PM
Excellent point. We technically still lead the division and are undefeated in the conference. If we can get AJ/JJ healthy again, I'm not worried about the offense.
The defense, however, has some major issues that need to be addressed. I love Pollard in the secondary but he's the only guy who carries his weight. Right now, Kareem Jackson might as well wear a flashing neon hot pink jersey because the opponents are finding him on every pass play. Kubiak has to decide whether it is better to preserve the season or preserve their top rookie's confidence.
I just don't understand KJ. He gets to practice against AJohnson, the best WR in the league...How can the likes of Kenny Britt and Roy Williams make you look like Petey Faggins?
Excellent point. We technically still lead the division and are undefeated in the conference. If we can get AJ/JJ healthy again, I'm not worried about the offense.
The defense, however, has some major issues that need to be addressed. I love Pollard in the secondary but he's the only guy who carries his weight. Right now, Kareem Jackson might as well wear a flashing neon hot pink jersey because the opponents are finding him on every pass play. Kubiak has to decide whether it is better to preserve the season or preserve their top rookie's confidence.
Yeah, I got 'em going 10-6. That means that at least 4 more times this year the Texans will get "outcoached". 4 more times this year Kubiak should be fired. 4 more times this year fans will be wailing, pointing fingers, jumping from the ledge, whining like babies.... I can't wait....:rolleyes:
Fact is, Kubiak will probably make it through the year before any action is taken. By then, whether he should stay or go should be obvious to all.
KJ has played 5 NFL games. He's probably going to suck all year. What you look for is improvement. He had his 1st INT today. That's a start.
barrett
10-10-2010, 05:37 PM
It's an interesting point I haven't heard before. But is it true?
Is it true of Belichick/Brady?
Was it true of Manning/Dungy?
There are fiery dominant guys who have won big, no doubt. Just not sure I want to accept the premise.
I think I misled you. I am not saying you need a yeller or a fiery guy. You need a natural leader that commands a room. A presence that guys follow regardless of the circumstances. Most superbowl teams have that guy at both QB and Head Coach. All 4 of the guys you mentioned are unquestioned leaders of men. Sean Payton and Drew Brees were those guys last year. Brees was such a leader that even when he did the retarded pregame ritual, he was actually taken serious by grown men. Players don't want to disappoint those guys as teammates and coaches. They respect/fear/admire them too much.
I don't get the feeling that guys would run through walls for Kubiak. He is likable, smart, and hard-working. A solid coach. But he doesn't seem to have the untouchable self confidence or borderline ego that great head coaches have.
And Schaub is like the player version of Kubiak. Smart, hard working, talented enough, well prepared. But again, he gets rattled. Not many QBs who can be rattled win superbowls (Eli Manning is the only one I can think of and that was more of a "screw Tiki Barber" thing).
I just think we have some good, professional guys. And we need somebody who guys will follow. (This is also why the most talented team in football fails to get in done every year up in Dallas).
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 05:54 PM
Yeah, I got 'em going 10-6. That means that at least 4 more times this year the Texans will get "outcoached". 4 more times this year Kubiak should be fired. 4 more times this year fans will be wailing, pointing fingers, jumping from the ledge, whining like babies.... I can't wait....:rolleyes:
I am beyond the whole "let's fire Kubiak" thing. I want to win. I understand that teams do lose sometimes. This is understandable. But how many great teams get blown out twice in three weeks?
You guys are talking about these lofty predictions. What about this team so far has you so confident?
A great running attack?
Of all the teams in the playoffs last year there was only one team that had a suspect defense. Indy...And they have an excellent pass rush...Something we don't have...
What makes you think we can compete defensively?
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 06:01 PM
KJ has played 5 NFL games. He's probably going to suck all year. What you look for is improvement. He had his 1st INT today. That's a start.
Oh yeah, this was KJ's 9th NFL game. Allegedly the reason we drafted him was the fact that he was pro-ready coming out of college.
So I understand development, but 4-5 TDs given up and 1 INT that was largely due in part to the pressure in Manning's face is not what I would call acceptable...
I am not saying that he will never get better, I am only suggesting that he has not lived up to the hype thus far...
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 06:43 PM
The funny thing is that KJ hasn't looked as bad as Jacques Reeves but he loses a lot of matchups and the other team is taking their best WR and lining up against him. KJ has had to face two Mannings, McNabb and Romo so it isn't like he has been picked apart by QBs who don't know what they are doing but I think the Texans need to do something to stop the gameplanning, even if it is to bench him for a week just to throw off the other side.
It's like the Astros with Brett Wallace. Opponents figured out they could bust him in on the hands and he wouldn't adjust so soon everyone in the league did the same thing. So he needs to do something different until the scouting report changes, even if that means standing further off the plate until they do something else.
The Texans have to do something else with KJ for awhile so other teams stop making him the focus of their game plans.
Oh yeah, this was KJ's 9th NFL game. Allegedly the reason we drafted him was the fact that he was pro-ready coming out of college.
So I understand development, but 4-5 TDs given up and 1 INT that was largely due in part to the pressure in Manning's face is not what I would call acceptable...
I am not saying that he will never get better, I am only suggesting that he has not lived up to the hype thus far...
KJ has played in 5 regular season games, 4 practice games. On the INT, KJ was in the right spot at the right time - that counts for something. I'd love to pick nits with you over the next couple of hours but I've got better things to do.
I watched Cris Dishman suck for a couple of years before he developed into one of the toughest corners in the league. That's the trouble with the fanbase today - no patience. "We want it now, dammit". You may not like the results but you won't be able to hurry things along. It's like yellin' at the screen in the movie theater - no effect.
HPF Bob
10-10-2010, 06:47 PM
Titans just beat Dallas so the whole division is now tied at 3-2 but we have had the toughest schedule of any of them through five weeks. Houston and Jacksonville also have negative point differentials, for what its worth.
Big Texas
10-10-2010, 07:18 PM
KJ has played in 5 regular season games, 4 practice games. On the INT, KJ was in the right spot at the right time - that counts for something. I'd love to pick nits with you over the next couple of hours but I've got better things to do.
I watched Cris Dishman suck for a couple of years before he developed into one of the toughest corners in the league. That's the trouble with the fanbase today - no patience. "We want it now, dammit". You may not like the results but you won't be able to hurry things along. It's like yellin' at the screen in the movie theater - no effect.
I don't whats wrong with Texans fans. Will say anything to prove their point. Chris Dishman? Really?
In my post I complimented KJ for being in the right position. Being in the right position has not been his problem. It has been making a positive play on the ball while he's there that has been the problem. Case in point the goal line TD pass to Nicks and countless others. And no I am not calling him a bust. I am only suggesting that his play has been less than stellar and has been a big reason why our secondary sucks so bad. He needs to get better fast or maybe he should be benched for a game or two. Or maybe playing those soft zone coverages don't suit him very well. Maybe he needs to be in the face of the WR. Whatever the case he needs to get better fast.
And in reference to your Chris Dishman analogy, do you suggest that we we continue to let him be the achilles heel of our defense for 3 or 4 more years then assess him again?
Its OK to think a player could do better. Its apart of being a fan...:D
Disprove that theory...
Blitzwood
10-10-2010, 07:26 PM
I think some of the criticism of KJ is on point. He doesn't get enough(if any) jam on his receivers at the line, his hips aren't the most fluid, and most of all, his recovery speed leaves something to be desired. That said, he's far from our only problem on defense. McCain is getting burned, IMO, just as much as KJ, maybe more. Eugene Wilson was back out there after the second quater, and I thought after S. McMannis got that int, he'd get more PT. He didn't.:mad:
Also, our def line is HORRIBLE with the exception of Mario. Our DT's have been underachieving all season, no pressure up through the middle and little success stopping the run. If it wasn't for D.Ryan and Cush now, we'd be gutted on every play. When D.Ryan was hoping we'd draft a DT, I don't think Earl Mitchell was what he had in mind.
On the subject of Earl Mitchell, I really like this kid, but think Kube's could be using him in a much more effective role. He's got great strength and launches off the line every snap. That paired with his high motor has me thinking he might be better suited as our replacement for Connor Barwin THIS season. I think Antonio actually plays better inside at this point of his career, and since he and Earl are basically the same size, I like Earl's youth and hustle on the outside more. I just can't help thinking if Earl get's such good penetration on the inside, imagine him lined up on the outside, one on one. I think Kube's should split their PT at both positions.
The more pressure we can put on QB's up front, the better our secondary is gonna look. I liked the blitzes Bush ran in the second half, but by the time he started blitzing, the game was almost out of reach.
Its OK to think a player could do better. Its apart of being a fan...:D
Sure it is. And so is venting. And I think you've got that venting part down just fine - In fact, you take it to the next level... :D
popanot
10-11-2010, 07:50 AM
Titans just beat Dallas so the whole division is now tied at 3-2 but we have had the toughest schedule of any of them through five weeks.We're also the softest (some would call it the pu$$y's) of the bunch. A splitting image of the coach, who just CAN'T look when we have to kick an important FG. Get physical and hit this team in the mouth and they rarely respond. Note I said rarely, not never.
nunusguy
10-11-2010, 08:57 AM
That said, he's far from our only problem on defense. McCain is getting burned, IMO, just as much as KJ, maybe more.
So what if McCain is getting beat, he's a what, 5th or 6th round pick ? On the other hand KJ is a first-rounder, the 20th overall in the 2010 Draft.
popanot
10-11-2010, 09:57 AM
So what if McCain is getting beat, he's a what, 5th or 6th round pick ? On the other hand KJ is a first-rounder, the 20th overall in the 2010 Draft.The 'so what' is this coaching staff and GM decided to go into this 'playoff bound' season with a bunch young, inexperienced players and/or low draft picks at probably the most critical positions on D' and it's backfiring horribly. I don't know what options they had, but they should have known better and perhaps kept or signed players who may have helped in case this did happen. I mean the Jets went out and got Cromartie so it is possible to take a chance and get a decent player that can help. WTF...they kept Molden?!? What has he ever done except spend time on IR? Not saying it can't change for the better, but nothing gives me the impression it will get better any time soon. At least not against playoff caliber QBs.
What else amazes me is we can't get a decent pass rush despite all the picks and money we've invested up there. I see teams with half the (supposed) talent we have get better, more consistent, push than we do. It's not all about sacks, it's about disruption. We can't even get that. Manning rarely had anyone even remotely close to him. Unbelievable.
Yeah, we're 3-2 and that's great. But if this team isn't careful, the Chiefs, with a very good physical D, will come in here next Sunday and give them a beat down and it won't look so rosy then. Confidence will go down the crapper. As it is, this team is going no where with this defense and it's penchant for getting bitch-slapped by physical teams.
chuck
10-11-2010, 10:39 AM
Chuck, I say 6-10 is a huge overreaction. It puzzles me how much you seem to revel in a Texans defeat. Since I didn't live in Houston during the oilers days (was reborn a Texans fan from the first day of the franchise here), I will assume it is a coping mechanism that only the luv' ya blue guys can understand.
Sure, it's an overreaction in a way but 6-10 is also a real possibility. My schizophrenia surely does have its roots in the Oilers. I pained through every Pittsburgh loss in the Bum days but it's impossible to explain what a Buffalo game or especially the KC game the next year will do to an unstable fan's already fragile psyche.
But I'm also reacting to what I see on the field. I have no faith at all in this organization. I have no faith in the staff's ability to work around the team's shortcomings and to solve other teams' attempts to exploit them. And the shortcomings, especially on defense, are horrifying. This is the worst secondary the Texans have ever fielded in the history of the franchise, both in terms of personnel and in terms of performance. And that would be less of a problem if the defensive line weren't so totally useless at pressuring the quarterback.
And the schedule - unless the team starts playing a lot better somehow I just don't see many wins on that schedule.
Bad as I hate to agree with Chuck on anything, he certainly has it right about the Oiler years. I lived through those up and down years just like Chuck did. So to see this up one day and down the next team, is just too much to take. What really hurts is the Titans won their games with the Giants and Dallas, while we looked like warmed over crap.
HPF Bob
10-11-2010, 04:24 PM
But then the Titans also lost two home games (Broncos and Steelers w/no Ben) so they are just as up and down as we are.
chuck
10-11-2010, 04:28 PM
Bad as I hate to agree with Chuck on anything, he certainly has it right about the Oiler years.
Oh, I don't know that we truly disagree all that terribly often, we just enjoy antagonizing each other. I thought that's what the internet was for.
But then the Titans also lost two home games (Broncos and Steelers w/no Ben) so they are just as up and down as we are.
Ye old parity again. Woe is me! Yes, of course you'er right Bob. I'm just in my cups today I guess. I'll be over it by Wednesday.
But then the Titans also lost two home games (Broncos and Steelers w/no Ben) so they are just as up and down as we are.
To top that off, the freaking Cardinals beat the Saints with an undrafted rookie QB.......Crazy week in the NFL this past weekend, odd things happened.
I am hoping this was another, "just one of those games". I didn't really think it would be a blow out, on either side, but can't really say I thought we would dominate. There is NO dominant forces in the NFL this year. 10 wins could be a conference champ in the South. It is going to be a wild ride, and I am ready.
Of course, we can't have too many more "just one of those games", and I can't really say that I am all that worried about it. We need to catch a hot streak, and the upcoming bye week couldn't have come at a better time. Hopefully, we can skate thru the Chiefs games with minimal bumps and bruises and come back primed and ready to make a post break run.
Fonz the Boss
10-11-2010, 11:55 PM
Remember last year when we were getting the ball ran up our throats for like half a season? That got fixed. Im just hopeful that this is just a young secondary that is learning as they go. 5-3 thru 8 games is still within reach. I would gladly take a 5-3 record after 8 games because we have a tendency to finish seasons really strong.
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