View Full Version : Official Texans @ Saints Game Thread, 8/21/2010
dalemurphy
08-21-2010, 10:51 AM
We put together a preview of things to watch for during the game tonight:
Texans Bull Blog (http://www.texansbullblog.com/preview-orleans-watch-saturday/news/)
One thing that we didn't include was an email conversation I had with LZ. He pointed out to me, in the midst of my Shelley Smith exuberance, that guards tend to look good versus 3-4 defense while centers tend to struggle- simply as a result of alignment. With a 4-3 defense, guards often struggle while the center tends to look better. So, I'm very interested in seeing how Shelley Smith, Kasey Studdard, and Caldwell look tonight. Also, how much better will Catfish be... He certainly has a ton of room for improvement.
HPF Bob
08-21-2010, 06:30 PM
My keys for tonight's game:
1) Keep Schaub, AJ and Foster healthy.
2) Watch to see if the OL can open holes for the running game even if the runners don't get much.
3) Can d-line get to the QB and can the DBs stay with their receivers?
4) Will TEs be part of the offense?
5) Will Holliday be better than last week or was he a wasted pick?
Please merge if needed.
Players out for tonight (heard on radio 610):
Dorin Dickerson
Antuan Molden
Andre Davis
New Orleans:
John Stinchcomb
Gametime!
Saints win the toss and elect to receive.
Robey brings it out to about the Saints 28.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:07 PM
What is up with Molden. He should getting as much playing time as possible.,,
Bush over the right side for about 8. Brings up 2nd and 2.
Thomas gets about 4 on the run and the 1st down.
Brees hits Colston over the middlle for 4. Brings up 2nd down and 6.
Brees throws it slightly behind the RB in the flat = inc. 3rd and 6.
Draw to Bush gets about 8 and the 1st down. Ball at the Texans 49.
Dump to Shockey goes for 3.
Cushing tackles Thomas after gain of 1. Brings up 3rd down and 6.
Ewww, Pollard on the PI covering Shockey = auto 1st down.
Thomas up the middle for about 8. Ball at the Texan 25, 2nd and 2.
Thomas for about 4 more. 1st down.
Bush takes it all the way to the 8 yd line. 1st and goal.
Bush runs it straight up the middle for the TD.
Saints 7, Texans 0
chuck
08-21-2010, 07:16 PM
What a disgusting display of ineptitude by the first team defense.
This is what a Super Bowl caliber team looks like. The Texans, well, more of the same.
What is up with Molden. He should getting as much playing time as possible.,,
Don't know what the injury is but he's getting dangerously close to getting cut.... I'm a fan but he's *got* to get on the field.......
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:18 PM
What do you do to an overaggressive team. Traps, counters, and draws...
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:19 PM
Excellent playcalling by Peyton, as usual.
Nice return by Holliday brings it back to the Texan 38.
chuck
08-21-2010, 07:19 PM
That a boy. Nice return. Breaks a tackle.
chuck
08-21-2010, 07:20 PM
Excellent playcalling by Peyton, as usual.
That is an intelligent offense, isn't it? I can promise you you won't see any end arounds or halfback passes in the red zone out of that bunch.
Foster over left tackle for about 3.
Foster up the middle for about 4. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Schaub's pass to AJ in the flat inc. Texans have to punt.
Turk's punt slips into the endzone, touchback. Saints ball at their own 20.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:24 PM
Now we get to see if Kubiak has learned how to adjust this year...
Brees goes deep to Colston but inc. Nice coverage by KJ.
Brees hits Colston for about 10. 1st down.
Bush up the middle for about 4. 2nd and 6 coming up.
Pass to Henderson good for 9. 1st down.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:27 PM
This guy is attacking our porous DTs like crazy...
1st down pass by Brees goes inc. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Thomas up the middle for 5. Brings up 3rd and 5.
Brees overshoots Bush on a deep sideline pattern. Brings up 4th down, Saints to punt.
HPF Bob
08-21-2010, 07:29 PM
That a boy.
Boy???????
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:29 PM
more counters, draws, and delays...
Oh no. Holliday muffs the punt, Saints recover. :(
Saints at the Texan 15.
1st down pass in the endzone goes inc. Brings up 2nd and 10.
Thomas for about 4. Brings up 3rd and 6 at the Texan 11.
Timeout.
Stick a fork in Holiday....he's done.
chuck
08-21-2010, 07:32 PM
Boy???????
I don't say it like you say it.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:34 PM
lets see what Payton dials up for this red zone attempt...
Another timeout by NO. Brees sees too many men (or something).
C'mon defense!
chuck
08-21-2010, 07:37 PM
lets see what Payton dials up for this red zone attempt...
Play action, Colston to the corner, Shockey dragging over the middle.
Oh me, Brees almost sacked chunks it sidearm to Colston who gets it all the way to the 1.
Bush punches it in from the 1.
Saints 14, Texans 0
3:12 left in the 1st quarter.
Texan offense has had the ball for 3 plays. Defense looking out of whack....
Holliday drops the kickoff but downs it in the endzone. Texans ball at their own 20.
Schaub sacked on 1st down -7. Brings up 2nd and 17.
Dump to Foster goes for 6. Brings up 3rd and 11.
chuck
08-21-2010, 07:42 PM
This is a very good team giving a not very good team an ass raping. We'll see plenty of this over the course of the year.
Drew Brees has forgotten more about quarterbacking than Kubiak ever knew. The difference in in-game intelligence between these two teams is staggering.
Pass to Dreesen good for 6 but flag on the play. Late hit on the Saints = auto 1st down at the Texan 41.
Pass to Anderson good for 4. Flag on the play. 12 men on the fielf on the Saints. Do over, 1st and 5.
Offsides Saints and Foster gets 5 up the middle. Penalty declined.
KW wide open for big gain - 32 yards. Ball at the Saints 18.
Foster runs for 8. Ball at the Saints 9 yard line.
End of 1st quarter.
This is a very good team giving a not very good team an ass raping. We'll see plenty of this over the course of the year.
Drew Brees has forgotten more about quarterbacking than Kubiak ever knew. The difference in in-game intelligence between these two teams is staggering.
That's a little strong for the 2nd pre-season game.....don't ya think?
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 07:47 PM
what a crappy start
first, I hope to never see Holliday again this year.
Next, I hope we stuff this drive down NO throat and taKe back a little control.
chuck
08-21-2010, 07:49 PM
That's a little strong for the 2nd pre-season game.....don't ya think?
Get back to me midway through the year and let's see where we are. I think this team will be lucky to win six games.
Foster shoots up the middle to paydirt. 10 yd TD run.
Saints 14, Texans 7
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:49 PM
Outcoached...
Arian is looking excellent...
Rackers to kickoff. Robey brings it back to the Saints 33 but flags on the play. Holding on Saints - back it up. Ball at the Saints 20.
Ivory runs for 6. Brings up 2nd and 4.
2nd down pass goes inc. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:51 PM
Arian...WOW
Did you see Dreesen's block on the back side....
Pass to Moore goes for 6 and the 1st down at the Saints 32.
Pass goes for 6. GQ with the shoestring tackle. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Ivory gets about 7 or 8 up the middle. 1st down Saints.
Pressure from Texans causes Daniel to chunk it out of bounds. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Bush sweeps for about 2 on the left side. Brings up 3rd and 8. Ball at the Saints 47.
3rd down pass sails inc. Saints to punt.
JJ to receive the punt. Ball goes into the endzone. Flag on the play. Illegal touch by the Saints. Texans will get the ball at their 25.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 07:57 PM
Okam and mitchell are getting alot of PT and not doing anything with it...
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 07:58 PM
Alright , defense holds.
JJ back on punt, good.
touchback and some kind of flag
Roy P
08-21-2010, 07:59 PM
Okam and mitchell are getting alot of PT and not doing anything with it...
You noticed that too? The T.V. station has a question asking who is the most important player on the Defense. My answer would be the 3-Tech DT, unfortunately we don't have a good player at that position. :(
Pass for 18 on 1st down.
Pass to Dreesen takes the ball to midfield.
Foster fumbles - Saints ball at midfield. :(
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 08:02 PM
It was bound to happen sooner or later...
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:02 PM
Wow. None of these RBs wants to stay on the field. That was horrible.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 08:04 PM
hard to get a lead with two turnovers to none. we'll see. without those could be even game, maybe.
Roy P
08-21-2010, 08:05 PM
Hmmm....Foster fumbling is not what you want to see, but at some point, they all fumble. The question becomes does it happen on the next drive, or does it not happen for 6 more games?
Ivory for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Bush for 4. Flag on the play. Holding Saints -10. Brings up 2nd and 19.
Bush gets about 5 on the delay. Brings up 3rd and 14.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 08:06 PM
Part of the reason foster cut back was because Winston couldn't control his assignment; a LB...
Deep pass from Daniel to Colston good for a big gainer. Ball at the Texan 30.
Ivory for no gain. 2nd and 10 coming up.
Thomas for -1. 3rd and 11 coming up.
Screen to Thomas goes all the way for 6 pts.
Saints 21, Texans 7
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:09 PM
This is the first team defense getting carved up by a third string QB who's about 5'10". There is no pass rush, no attitude.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 08:11 PM
this is playcalling...When you have excellent playcalling you can put anyone in the game...There were 3 players wide open on the 25 yard pass by chase...
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 08:11 PM
yep, 14 pts off turnovers.
Now Slayton back on the kick.
Roy P
08-21-2010, 08:12 PM
Since Cushing is going to be suspended at the beginning of the season, might we want to see if we can get some chemistry/continuity with another LB in the game by this point? I don't know if they are looking at Bentley over there at the SAM or not. Perhaps they could let Sharpton play the WILL and slide Diles over. I'm a bit concerned about the first 4 games of the season.
Slaton to receive the kickoff. Brings it back to the Texan 31.
6:28 left in the half.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 08:14 PM
Everytime, Payton sees Barwin in the game they just take advantage of his aggressiveness. Well at least one of these teams learned something about the other this week...
Roy P
08-21-2010, 08:15 PM
Casey and Dreesen in the lineup at the same time puts a smile on my face. Now, if I can just convince Kubiak to put Graham in there too for a 3-TE set. :D
Pass to Dreesen goes for big gainer. Ball at the Saints 40.
Foster for 5 but flag on the play. Holding on the Texan. Brings up 1st and 20. Ball at midfield.
Pass to AJ good for 7. Oooh, gets up slow...
Pass to KW caught but KW pushed out. 3rd and 13.
Dump to Foster gets about 9.
Rackers on for a 52 yard attempt.
FG is good. Eheh, bounces off the middle bar.
Saints 21, Texans 10
Roy P
08-21-2010, 08:19 PM
Rackers on for a 52 yard attempt.
FG is good. Eheh, bounces off the middle bar.
Saints 21, Texans 10
I'll take it. :p
3:44 left in the half.
Good lord. Bad tackling lets Robey take the muffed kickoff all the way back to the Saints 18.
Ball marked at the Saints 21.
1st down deep pass to Arrington good for 58 yards. Wow.
2 minute warning.
HPF Bob
08-21-2010, 08:22 PM
If Rackers stays, we now know what his range is under ideal conditions.
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:23 PM
Shit tackling, no pass rush, no safety coverage, gentlemen, your 2010 Houston Texans defense. Against a third string quarterback.
Roy P
08-21-2010, 08:26 PM
Shit tackling, no pass rush, no safety coverage, gentlemen, your 2010 Houston Texans defense. Against a third string quarterback.
Is that on Frank Bush? Would Ray Rhodes get more out of this group? Are the position coaches to blame like Kollar and Holland? Do we blame the GM for not getting better players? Whoever is at fault, that effort and execution is horrible.
2nd down and 9 at the Texans 30.
Ivory for 9 - gets the 1st down at the Texans 21.
Dump to the TE gets 4. Brings up 2nd and 6.
Saints run for 3. Brings up 3rd and 3.
Daniel can't find a receiver and runs it out at the Texan 5. 1st and goal.
Pass to TE Thomas goes for -1. 2nd and goal at the 6. :17 seconds left in the half.
Big Texas
08-21-2010, 08:29 PM
Is that on Frank Bush? Would Ray Rhodes get more out of this group? Are the position coaches to blame like Kollar and Holland? Do we blame the GM for not getting better players? Whoever is at fault, that effort and execution is horrible.
Yes the team is not doing too well, but for the most part we are getting outcoached like crazy...
A. Smith, Okam, Mitchell...have been getting the super okie doke today...
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:30 PM
Is that on Frank Bush? Would Ray Rhodes get more out of this group? Are the position coaches to blame like Kollar and Holland? Do we blame the GM for not getting better players? Whoever is at fault, that effort and execution is horrible.
I don't know that Buddy Ryan could do anything with the cast of clowns the team sends out masquerading as interior linemen. Pair that with Mario's disinterest and Barwin's over-eagerness that is a very, very vulnerable DL.
Pass good to the 1. Saints quickly line-up and spike it. 4th and goal with 4 seconds left.
Saints to go for it. Texans use a timeout.
Dump to the Fullback gets the TD.
Saints 28, Texans 10
Halftime.
Roy P
08-21-2010, 08:33 PM
The 3rd string QB hits the FB from Princeton to score a TD right before the half against the Texans Defense.
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:33 PM
Again, this is an ass raping by a team run by intelligent football people on a team run by glue-eating, finger-painting imbeciles. If you think the future does not hold more of the same in the regular season then I think you are nuts.
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:35 PM
The 3rd string QB hits the FB from Princeton to score a TD right before the half against the Texans Defense.
First string Texans defense. All of them. Hell, there's even one guy, the BEST guy, who won't play the first quarter of the season because he trained too hard.
Keith
08-21-2010, 08:36 PM
Thanks Arky for the comms. Out of pocket internet-wise atm.
Not looking forward to catching the replay of this one, yuck.
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:38 PM
Not looking forward to catching the replay of this one, yuck.
Go ahead and fast forward through the first half. Unless you want to see a couple of sub-six foot QBs carve up an NFL defense.
Halftime stats:
Passing: Schaub 8/10, 117 yards.
Rushing: Foster 6/28 yds.
Receiving: Dreesen 3/55, AJ 2/15, Foster 2/15, KW 1/32
Tackles: Wilson 11, Pollard 9, Cushing/Quin 7 each, Mario/Barwin/KJ 2 each
Time of Possession: Saints 21:25 (!), Texans 8:35
1st downs: Saints 18, Texans 6
3rd down conversions: Saints 6/9, Texans 0/3
Turnovers: Saints 0, Texans 2
To me this game shows the difference between a team with big proven NFL Olinemen and a puny Denver type Oline. I know that Kubiak was working on the running game to start the game, but with that puny Oline, he should have gotten away from it sooner than he did. And then of course, the fumbleitus had to rear it's ugly head again.
Nice return by Slaton on the kickoff. Brings it all the way back to the Saints 41.
DanO's 1st down pass goes inc. to a slipped down JJ.
Slaton up the middle for about 2.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 08:46 PM
Disappointing start of a practice game for sure. Too many mistakes.
Now we get to see what Texans second teamers can do.
Nice start of return by Slayton.
NO still has several starting D out there. hmm.
On 3rd and 8, DanO's deep pass to KW goes inc. in the endzone.
Texans to punt.
Saints fair catch at their 15.
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:51 PM
Nice start of return by Slayton.
Steve Slaton, Sean Payton. Steve Slaton, Sean Payton.
HPF Bob
08-21-2010, 08:52 PM
I blame that good Luziana cookin' the Texans probably got after practice. Awfully tough to play sharp football after that.
NO still has several starting D out there. hmm.
Well, they didn't get to play much in the first half........
Saints get 2 on run.
Saints get 4. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Saints delay of game. Makes it 3rd and 9.
Bentley nice TFL. Saints have to punt.
JJ nice return but block in the back on the Texans. Ball at Texans 26.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 08:57 PM
Shoot, I can't even spell Slaton anymore.
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:58 PM
Orlovsky's getting rid of the ball faster than I've seen.
chuck
08-21-2010, 08:59 PM
Orlovsky's getting rid of the ball faster than I've seen.
He got rid of it REAL fast there.
1st down pass from DanO goes inc. but flags all over the place.
PI on Saints is accepted. Moves the ball to near midfield.
DanO for no -1. Brings up 2nd and 11.
Pass to DA good for the 1st down. About 15 yards.
Slaton for no gain. Brings up 2nd and 10.
Dump to Leach and he powers for about 13 or 14.
DanO sacked -7. Brings up 2nd and 17.
Ball at the Saints 33.
Dump to Slaton good for 8. Offsetting penalties - do it again.
DanO's pass sails inc. Brings up 3rd and 17.
Screen to Slaton sniffed out -4. Texans to punt.
Turk's punt goes into the endzone. Saints ball at their own 20.
7:20 left in the 3rd quarter.
On 1st down, Daniel's pass goes right to Danny Clark! Texans ball at the Saints 33.
1st down pass to JJ gets about 8.
Slaton for no gain. Brings up 3rd and 2.
chuck
08-21-2010, 09:07 PM
Texans call a screen when the Saints elect not to blitz at all, everyone at home. Loss of four. Texans taken to school again.
I don't understand why the Texans QBs have never been able to audible under Kubiak. Is Kubiak a control freak? Why does he not trust his QBs to audible? The LBs were six or more yards off the LOS that play. It was plain that a blitz was not called, yet Orlovsky had a screen.
HPF Bob
08-21-2010, 09:07 PM
Hate to see a series start in FG range and end with a punt for a touchback.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 09:07 PM
Yeah, we get a tunover, nice pick by Clark.
3rd down pass to Graham is inc. K Brown on for the 43 yarder.
FG is good.
Saints 28, Texans 13
Pollard and Wilson had 20 tackles between them at halftime. What does that tell you?
Rackers to kickoff. A little squibby - Saints bring it back to their 35.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 09:12 PM
might be a little tackling practice this week. and guys way out of position.
Ivory gets about 11 or 12 tough yards up the middle. 1st down.
Hill sweeps for about 9. Brings up 2nd and 1 at the Texan 46.
Dump to Hill goes to the Texan 31 - gain of 15.
Ivory gets about 3. Brings up 2nd and 7.
Ivory for 3. Brings up 3rd and 4.
Hill gets about 8 on the right side. 1st down at the Texan 18.
Pass to Arrington good for the TD.
Saints 35, Texans 13
Wooo, what a whoopin'....
1:28 left in the 3rd quarter.
McManis to receive the kickoff. Not bad - upended at the Texan 26.
Nifty run on the dump by Slaton but flag on the play. Butler - personal foul after the play. Ball ends up at the Texan 29.
Pass to DA goes for a big gainer. Ball ends up at the Saints 32.
Slaton for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
End of 3rd quarter.
DanO's pass goes inc. Brings up 3rd and 9.
Pass to JJ complete at the Saints 10. 1st down.
Nice. DanO finds Graham wide open in the endzone for 6 pts.
Saints 35, Texans 20
14:11 left in the game.
chuck
08-21-2010, 09:27 PM
I like Dan Orlovsky.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 09:28 PM
nice catch by Jacoby for our first third down conversion and
now a TD by Orlavsky to Graham. nice plays. only 15 points behind.
oh oh, NO ran a gadget end around.
Saints bring the kickoff back to their 23. Nice tackle by Greenhouse.
Robey gets 20 on the sweep left.
Ivory for 1. 2nd and 9 coming up.
Pass to Robey good for 8. 3rd and 1 coming up.
Ivory gets the 1 for the 1st down.
Pass goes over everyone but flag on the play. Illegal motion Saints is declined - 2nd down, 10.
Pass to Hill gets about 2. Brings up 3rd and 8.
Delay looks to be 1 yard short of the 1st down....
Saints to go for it....
Pass to TE gets about 15 and the 1st down.
Ball at the Texan 21.
Ivory for 1.
Ivory gets about 2. 3rd and 7 coming up.
Hill gets about 4 or 5. Brings up 4th and 2. Hill shaken up. Ball at the Texan 14.
sinnister
08-21-2010, 09:40 PM
That is an intelligent offense, isn't it? I can promise you you won't see any end arounds or halfback passes in the red zone out of that bunch.
Actually, in Payton's first year, he cost the Saints a key game with a moronic call. The difference is that he appeared to learn his lesson. Against the Falcons, driving in the fourth quarter, and on 3rd and inches tried a crazy trick play that the Bucs totally blew up, got the ball and won.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 09:42 PM
man, NO making two 4th down runs, and now how about that, held for FG,
Saints get just enough for the 1st down. Ball at the Texan 11.
Ivory gets 6. 2nd and 4.
Ivory takes it to the 6-inch line. 3rd down.
Ivory for no gain.
Troy Nolan knocks the ball loose on the pass. Holding on Saints. Back 'em up to the 11.
Ivory for no gain. 3rd and goal.
Daniel sacked. 4th down. Saints to go for the FG.
FG is good.
Saints 38, Texans 20
4:03 left in the game.
J Johnson brings the kickoff all the way back to midfield.
chuck
08-21-2010, 09:49 PM
Actually, in Payton's first year, he cost the Saints a key game with a moronic call. The difference is that he appeared to learn his lesson. Against the Falcons, driving in the fourth quarter, and on 3rd and inches tried a crazy trick play that the Bucs totally blew up, got the ball and won.
You know, I vaguely remember this, thanks for reminding me. I'll try to youtube it up.
sinnister
08-21-2010, 09:52 PM
You know, I vaguely remember this, thanks for reminding me. I'll try to youtube it up.
I said Falcon's, but I am pretty sure it was Tampa Bay
DanO's pass to Graham good for 11. 1st down.
Texans run for 1.
Dump to Graham gets about 12 and the 1st down.
Dump to J Johnson puts the ball at the Saints 22. 2nd and 4 coming up.
Pass to Casey goes for the TD but they call the pick on Graham. Moves the ball back to the Saints 32.
Short gain to Casey brings up 3rd and 10.
Deep pass to JJ inc but roughing the passer on the Saints. Half the distance, 1st down at the 13.
DA takes the quick hitter and he and tackler both lose their helmets. 2nd and 2 coming up.
Roy P
08-21-2010, 09:58 PM
Troy Nolan knocks the ball loose on the pass.
WHEN Eugene Wilson gets hurt, I hope Troy Nolan gets to play FS.
2 minutes left.
J Johnson for no gain. 3rd and 2 coming up.
Pass to JJ in the endzone goes inc. 4th and 2 coming up.
Texans to go for it.
Pass goes inc. Flag on the play. Illegal offense on the Texans. Saints ball.
Ball at the 5.
Saints are kneeling it out.
Final Score:
Saints 38, Texans 20
Back to the drawing board... :rolleyes:
HPF Bob
08-21-2010, 10:10 PM
Not a good effort but...this just in...Saints are a good team. I think they won something last year.
Some of the stats that stick out to me:
Time of possession: Saints 40:00, Texans 20:00
Saints rushing: 198 yards.
Saints 3rd down conversions: 8/16 (Texans just 1/8)
Saints 4th down conversions: 3/3 (Texans 0/1) (Coach Payton, did you really need those 1st downs?)
Brees was just 5/10 for 36 yards - no TD's, no INT's. Backup Chase Daniel ate us up going 15/21 for 182 yards and 3 TDs, 1 Int.
Saints looked in mid-season form, Texans looked like bumblers but it's all good - they need to find this stuff out in the pre-season and get it together. It will be interesting to see if they can rebound against Dallas. I feel bad for Holliday but they may have discovered some new return men tonight....
Not a good effort but...this just in...Saints are a good team. I think they won something last year.
Yepper, and I REALLY feel for AZ this year without Warner and Boldin......OUCH.
- For you FFLer's - Buyer beware of Fitzgerald this year.
sinnister
08-21-2010, 10:36 PM
Just curious, but how did K.Jackson look?
painekiller
08-21-2010, 10:42 PM
Just curious, but how did K.Jackson look?
Because the run defense sucked so bad, Brees did nto pass much and they did not throw at Jackson much. But when they did he look solid.
He also flashed on some of the run plays. Overall a solid showing from him.
As for the rest of the game, I am disgusted as heck, but again I remind myself that it is preseason and no one appeared to get hurt. I would rather have a flat game now, then during the season.
This game did not matter and some of the guy appeared to be playing not to get hurt, and we did play pretty vanilla defense.
I do think our team philosophy of small and quick was exposed tonight on both sides of the ball.
chuck
08-21-2010, 10:44 PM
Just curious, but how did K.Jackson look?
Like the rest of the defense he missed a lot of tackles. I watched the game over the internet so I'll have to wait until I can see it on the NFL Network to know for sure but it didn't seem like he had a lot of passes to defend. The Saints got it done on the ground with Brees in for the most part.
Nconroe
08-21-2010, 11:03 PM
Saints 4th down conversions: 3/3 (Texans 0/1) (Coach Payton, did you really need those 1st downs?)
....
I didn't really like that either, isn't that cheating in a preseason game?
No excuses for looking that bad though, but Texans seemed to be trying to evaluate different combinations of players and plays while Saints seemed to be interested in showing they could win tonight. Looked like Saints actually game planned for a practice game. And Chase Daniels looked really good tonight.
Actually, Orlovsky looked much better tonight than previously, maybe he'll be ok as backup now.
Troy Nolan looked good again towards end of game.
chuck
08-21-2010, 11:19 PM
Saints 4th down conversions: 3/3 (Texans 0/1) (Coach Payton, did you really need those 1st downs?)
You should be talking to Coach Bush rather than Coach Payton.
You should be talking to Coach Bush rather than Coach Payton.
Yep, definitely the defense should have stepped up. I'm just questioning practicing throat stomping in a pre-season game... Shades of NCAA run-'em-up coaches...
barrett
08-22-2010, 12:28 AM
I didn't really like that either, isn't that cheating in a preseason game?
No excuses for looking that bad though, but Texans seemed to be trying to evaluate different combinations of players and plays while Saints seemed to be interested in showing they could win tonight. Looked like Saints actually game planned for a practice game. And Chase Daniels looked really good tonight.
Actually, Orlovsky looked much better tonight than previously, maybe he'll be ok as backup now.
Troy Nolan looked good again towards end of game.
I still feel the same way I did last week. This offense cannot be run without a QB who can move. The QB doesn't need to be fast or able to run, but our offense is filled with bootlegs, outside zone plays, screen plays where the QB needs to retreat, and a generally moving pocket.
And Dan Orlovsky had at least 5 physical stumbles tonight where he tripped over his own feet (and two where he mishandled it in his hands while ball handling). When he is out there our Play action is useless and the whole offense loses all sense of misdirection. It becomes either drop straight back and throw, or run it inside.
Who in the pro scouting department decided that a good throwing arm qualified this guy to direct this offense?
Big Texas
08-22-2010, 07:58 AM
When you get your ass kicked like that...it was because you were legitimately confused...Sean Payton won this game. He went to practice all week, sized up our team, and exposed our weaknesses.
1. Just about every run play was some kind of misdirection play. Yes our defense was swarming to ball...however, the ball was going the other way before they realized...GOOD COACHING
1a. There were too many plays where two or three of their Olineman were in the second level putting hats on our LBs and Safties.
One play particularly, ASmith was 10 yards in their backfield before he realized the play was a draw right up the middle and the running back was at least 5-8 yards passed the LOS.
2. Every time we brought CBarwin in the game they exposed his overeagerness...hence the long dumpoff/screen for a touchdown.
3. Wade Smith was blown up by Sedrick Ellis on a number of run of handoffs. As a matter of fact their "D" wasnt falling for that cutback either. They just went straight over our Oline.
I really hope for our sake that Kubiak was experimenting out there rather than really showing his hand. But who really wants to take that kind of ass kicking? Even if it is preseason...
Big Texas
08-22-2010, 07:59 AM
BTW...We finally got on the front of NFL.COM...However not in the way we would've liked...
Brees diving over our pile for a TD.
Big Texas
08-22-2010, 08:03 AM
"Overreaction Theater: Foster will be benched Posted:
Texans RB Arian Foster will be benched for the entire season!
At least that is the snap judgement in this edition of Overreaction Theater.
Texans coach Gary Kubiak does not like fumblers. Not that other coaches are overjoyed when a player fumbles, but nobody seems to have a quicker hook than Kubiak, who changes running backs the same way that the late George Steinbrenner changed managers during the 1970s and 1980s.
Foster was having a pretty good night prior to fumbling, but you wonder if Kubiak will start bouncing his running backs again like he’s playing racquetball."
FUNNY AS HELL!!!This is how the league views the Texans...
Big Texas
08-22-2010, 08:15 AM
Quarterback Matt Schaub
(on his reaction to the loss) "I don't think we have to panic. We still have two more preseason games to go and I feel we will be ready for the beginning of the season. I know a lot of us here in the locker room feel we could have had more intensity, but I'm not worried. We had a great week of practice. Now all we have to do is make sure we are ready once the real game begins."
This sums up why we lost...
nunusguy
08-22-2010, 09:24 AM
Until last night I didn't know Reggie Bush could run inside the tackles on an NFL defense, but the Texans starting D made him look like Bronko Nagurski ? And they made Chase Daniel look like Jon Elway.
And this year we get to play a bunch of teams that have Saints-level talent instead of the Rams, Seahawks, etc in last years schedule. So how many of you fell off of the 2010 Ten-wins Texans' playoff-bandwagon after their Saturday adeventures in NOLA ?
Bigtinylittle
08-22-2010, 11:47 AM
Frankly, with the tougher schedule, I was never predicting ten.
About last night, the Saints are a very solid team, better than the Texans, but I honestly think the Saints watched us all week and game-planned to take advantage of our weaknesses, while we went out and ran a basic offense and defense just to evaluate our personnel. If that's true, then they were doing us a big favor.
I'm thinking Barwin should not be in the game in running situations and don't expect him to be during the regular season.
Slaton looks like a considerable upgrade over Davis at Kick Returner.
Orlovsky has a LOT of rough edges. I'm wondering whether he will ever smooth them out.
Our running game looks a bit better than last year's. I love the feel Foster seems to have for the cutback.
Our defensive backfield seems more solid than last year's.
I'm still very skeptical of our pass russ. After two games, looks about the same as last year's.
I was glad to see Graham make a few plays. He looked pretty good.
If Kubiak gets fired after this year, I hope we draft some o-linemen in the first three rounds, because there's no way our Centers and Guards can play anthing but zone blocking, and zone is the first thing the new head coach will dump. If Kubiak stays, he should dump it too but I doubt he will.
HPF Bob
08-22-2010, 03:39 PM
Yep, definitely the defense should have stepped up. I'm just questioning practicing throat stomping in a pre-season game... Shades of NCAA run-'em-up coaches...
One thing coaches like to do in the pre-season is get things on film that they want the rest of the league to see and fret about. If they had three different fourth down plays, opposing coaches are now going to have to prep for all three plays whereas if they only saw one, the coach might assume that one was their go-to play on fourth down. Personally, I'd show them three plays I *won't* use during the season but now have to make my opponents game plan against.
There are two types of trick plays - the ones you work on for the rest of the league to see and the ones you want to spring as a total surprise (like the "Music City Miracle"). Personally, I think the Texans need a total new set of trick plays because they haven't run a good one since, well, ever.
I definitely have to agree with BTL. If we play the rest of the schedule the way we played NOLA Sat. nt., we are in deep kimshee. Blocking and tackling, Kubiak - that is still the name of the game in the NFL.
Fonz the Boss
08-22-2010, 03:48 PM
We shouldn't panic unless we start the season 1-2... which is very possible.
nunusguy
08-22-2010, 04:23 PM
One thing coaches like to do in the pre-season is get things on film that they want the rest of the league to see and fret about. If they had three different fourth down plays, opposing coaches are now going to have to prep for all three plays whereas if they only saw one, the coach might assume that one was their go-to play on fourth down. Personally, I'd show them three plays I *won't* use during the season but now have to make my opponents game plan against.
There are two types of trick plays - the ones you work on for the rest of the league to see and the ones you want to spring as a total surprise (like the "Music City Miracle"). Personally, I think the Texans need a total new set of trick plays because they haven't run a good one since, well, ever.
Bob I've got to agree with you on your theory about why the Texans did what they did last night. I think Kubiak had a plan to trick his opponents into being overconfidant when they play the Texans, and I think he executed his plan very well last night.
So how many of you fell off of the 2010 Ten-wins Texans' playoff-bandwagon after their Saturday adeventures in NOLA ?
It's been almost a year (last year's Jet's opener) since the Texans really got pwned in a game. Let's let the preseason play out and then someone can start a "prediction" thread. Right now, I'm still leaning for 9-10 wins....
Keith
08-22-2010, 05:36 PM
It's preseason. We talkin bout preseason, man. I mean, how silly is that? What are we talkin about? Preseason.
Texans had a 2-game road trip. For the guys that matter, they essentially went 1-1. With these guys, I'll take a 4-4 road record this year. The Saints were at home for the first time since winning a Super Bowl. Think about that... New Orleans. How would you expect the stadium in Houston to be for fans and players in their first game at home after winning a Super Bowl? A little amped up, right?
I thought last year's Texans home record was a bit of a fluke... they typically play better at home, so let's see how they come out against Dallas.
nunusguy
08-22-2010, 08:28 PM
It's preseason. We talkin bout preseason, man. I mean, how silly is that? What are we talkin about? Preseason.
Texans had a 2-game road trip. For the guys that matter, they essentially went 1-1. With these guys, I'll take a 4-4 road record this year. The Saints were at home for the first time since winning a Super Bowl. Think about that... New Orleans. How would you expect the stadium in Houston to be for fans and players in their first game at home after winning a Super Bowl? A little amped up, right?
I thought last year's Texans home record was a bit of a fluke... they typically play better at home, so let's see how they come out against Dallas.
I could care less who wins a preseason game. Makes no difference to me if we finish 0-4 or 4-0 in the preseason. But I do care how our our starters perform in preseason games, and that's the problem with last night. Very disappointing.
If we are talking about "intensity" here, we have started out the season pretty much all through the Kubiak era with a decided lack of intensity. Maybe we need to be more intense in these pre-season games so it will roll over to the real season.
dalemurphy
08-23-2010, 12:46 PM
I was mortified by the lazy effort on Saturday night. It was unenjoyable, which is not good when I'm spending my leisure time watching it.
However, other than Okoye and Cody getting owned by an excellent interior line, I don't feel that the performance is a result of ability... which is somewhat comforting. Also, I was surprised to see Kubiak's attitude during his presser yesterday. Normally, he seems confused and concerned when they get beat. Yesterday he was simply pissed at the players for the poor performance. I am oddly encouraged by that.
We put together our weekly analysis of Kubes' presser. This one has some amusing video that captures his mood, I think: Texans Bull Blog (http://www.texansbullblog.com/coachspeak-kubiaks-secret-thoughts-loss/news/)
Nconroe
08-23-2010, 06:46 PM
No excuses for a poor performance all over Saturday night, and particularly defense against the run. Perhaps some was they were trying new combinations of plays and players to get film on. And N.O. did out hustle them in that pactice game. And maybe Hollidays fumble putting them down 14-0 didn't help.
Today team didn't practice, just looked at film, so I guess they did get to hear about mistakes, what was changing, perhaps being simplified, so they get back to what they were doing good the last thirteen games of last year.
Still optimistic we'll be ready for Indy on Sept 12 which is about three weeks from now and a home game, and then a good season.
You can learn from a bad experience and I think this team will learn and be better for it.
And it would be appropriate if Kubiak applied some of that speech from the "Bull Durham 'In the Shower' Scene".
Well, I guess we should be looking for the new expanded offense playbook, for in the red zone. We were up to 2 of 3 end zone successes .
And it would be appropriate if Kubiak applied some of that speech from the "Bull Durham 'In the Shower' Scene"..
Very NICE reference.
While their effort was lacking, it is hard for me to get in full panic mode as a result of a preseason game. All teams lay and egg every now and then. Hoepfully, this was our egg for the year.
I STILL BELIEVE! and will continue to believe until they prove me otherwise.
Anyone see San Fran cram it down MN's throat last night on the first drive......just saying, it happens.
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